Are Elegance boats any good? (includes some pics)

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I didn't recognise those engines in the above post
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Mike those engines are MAN 2840 V10 electronically controlled engines of the type comprehensively rubbished by our fellow forumite, Mapism, so I better stay clear of them otherwise I'll never hear the end of it:D

These are the V12 MTUs fitted in the Ferretti 72 we looked at (sorry not great photos)
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Everything I've heard (and my experience) is that you can't buy much better than MTU - and I've heard "bomb proof" said before.
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I didn't realise it until this afternoon but these engines are derived from the Mercedes OM444 series truck and industrial engine which in the distant past have been fitted in some of the machinery my company sold. Actually we didn't have such a good opinion of them at the time but that was mainly because of lousy back up from Merc but in a marine application, yes it seems that MTU do have a bombproof reputation although these particular units seem to be a bit smokey on start up
 
Hurricane said:
Friends came out today but left UK really early so are catching up on some sleep before dinner tonight.
BTW - Deleted User - we love that restaurant that you recommended - going again tonight - our friend is a retired butcher so just up his street.
Probably off on the anchor tomorrow - weather getting better.

Anyway back to the point - I have some time whilst everyone is asleep!!
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Excellent, Mike, I'm pleased that it's still good. We used to make special trips to Alcudia just to eat the chateaubriand there. Thanks for the pics of the Elegance which I think is the same 64 model as we looked at, albeit a later year because it doesn't seem to have the internal flybridge steps. If you happen to see the owner, I'd be interested to hear what he says about it
 
Hurricane said:
As far as MTUs are concerned, ours are CR2000s (M93s in fact) which are the later design.
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Our CR2000s are continuously rated which (as we all know) is way more than we actually need.
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Ermm... Great engines as they surely are, they ain't rated for continuous operation, in my books.
Out of the 4 levels used by MTU to classify their engines (unrestricted continuous, high, intermittent and low load), I'm afraid the M93 falls in the last of these ratings, i.e. low load.
The 8 cyl 2000 which is rated as unrestricted continuous is called M61, and has a much lower power/rpm than the M93.

PS: far from being a criticism anyway, it wouldn't make any sense to have a tug engine on a planing boat...
 
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Deleted User said:
Mike those engines are MAN 2840 V10 electronically controlled engines of the type comprehensively rubbished by our fellow forumite, Mapism, so I better stay clear of them otherwise I'll never hear the end of it:D
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No need to worry, just invite me for a maiden cruise on a brand new F72 with MANs (with all fridges properly stuffed of course), and I'll tell wonders of them! :cool:
 
Deleted User said:
Mike those engines are MAN 2840 V10 electronically controlled engines of the type comprehensively rubbished by our fellow forumite, Mapism, so I better stay clear of them otherwise I'll never hear the end of it:D

These are the V12 MTUs fitted in the Ferretti 72 we looked at (sorry not great photos)
P5281072.jpg

P5281071.jpg



I didn't realise it until this afternoon but these engines are derived from the Mercedes OM444 series truck and industrial engine which in the distant past have been fitted in some of the machinery my company sold. Actually we didn't have such a good opinion of them at the time but that was mainly because of lousy back up from Merc but in a marine application, yes it seems that MTU do have a bombproof reputation although these particular units seem to be a bit smokey on start up
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Very different visually than our CR2000s
 
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Pan thats v interesting info. Do you know when this was, which models were involved and how many boats were involved?
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Hi Mike - interesting choice......not my fav though as prefer Azimut's.
I remember a Horizon of about 2007 vintage just a few down from us on the pontoon that was on the hard for months due to osmosis apparently. I saw it at the stage where all of the gelcoat had been shaven from the hull.

Contradicting myself a little, I like the Elegance brand a little more with the mirrored windows, but the Horizon's look a little too menacing for my preference - think it's the heavy brow and dark windows that does it.
 
CMJ said:
Hi Mike - interesting choice......not my fav though as prefer Azimut's.
I remember a Horizon of about 2007 vintage just a few down from us on the pontoon that was on the hard for months due to osmosis apparently. I saw it at the stage where all of the gelcoat had been shaven from the hull.
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Again thanks CMJ, thats useful info. The more I look into this the more I don't like what I hear
 
Mike( hurricane ) the weather looks better now than last week when we paid our visit to you. Thanks for the coffee and cake great to meet you both, buoy your stay in Majorca .
 
Thanks Paul

It was good to meet you at last
As you will have guessed from the photos above, we have now moved to the posh part of the marina.

Just got back from Pollensa and an overnight at Formentor
Tried one of those ice creams - actually we prefer the ones in Alcudia.

All the best
Mike
 
Mike, as you have commented, fairly over top on the lay up and engineery wise, typical Tawianese build (which is good thing with the right yard). They do put in some serious thought to the mechanical side.

Nearly everything I have skippered from Tawianese yards handles rather sedately (read... plodder!) but on the other side of the coin they are massively built and rough weather doesn't seem to bother them, you don't get all the sqweak's and groans that you get from many of the EU builds. You do have to pick the right Elegance though, Drettman let clients go crazy when it came to the interiors, some outrageous and others very tasteful. I don't think there is any more or less Osmosis issues than if you searched down the historical line of any builder. Horizon / Elegance are a highly regarded brand in the US. They make very swish game fishers which take an almighty beating on the professional circuit. In the EU you can say they don't have the same reputation/residuals, nevertheless I would still seriously consider one if the price was right as personally I think they are a better build than most EU production yachts.

I was in Istanbul on Monday (yeah I know !) and was sitting on the aft deck of an ORY and next to us was an older Elegance, must have been 20 years old, well cared for and the hull was just immaculate , not a ripple or deformation down the side which comes from the weight of lamination. All the stainless was mirror finish and she looked like she would easy go another 20 years. later larger Elegances did have ABT stabs as an option, if you can get stabs on one you will never look back and never buy a boat without them again.

If you can buy right has to be worth considering.

having said residuals are not brill, I would also point that finger at some EU brands, absolutely scary numbers in depreciation.
 
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Thanks Nautical, its comforting to hear your opinion because I was beginning to doubt the evidence of my own eyes! I think depreciation is an issue with all the major brands, EU or elsewhere. Some of the Ferrettis we have also looked at have been offered at very temptingly low prices which means that the first owner(s) have taken depreciation hits well in excess of €1m and as you say, those kinds of numbers are scary indeed. I am aware that the market for Elegances is even more limited and that their depreciation is likely to be even higher than the mainstream Euro brands. In truth, we are bottom fishing hoping for a bargain to appear that doesn't leave us with too much of a depreciation hit when we come to sell
 
Mike, Trevor is right in all he says here. Some of the more "bespoke" completed examples can be rather garish but overall they are a sold, well built boat and very good at sea.
Trevor could be worth a call, he might know something of interest!
 
Nautical said:
Hi Mike, pretty much in a nutshell !

If you want to minimise depreciation you know what I am going to say :-)
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What happened there then? There was a lot more to that post at first than there is now;)
Yup got the message!
 
LOL, you just resurrected a 4+ years old thread, in case you didn't notice.
Deleted User bought a MUCH better boat, in the meantime! :D :cool:
 
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