any good do you think. swageless fittings

Described as "highly corrosive" :D

Personally I would want a trusted brand of fitting for my standing rig. Maybe ok for guardwires?
 
"These are an excellent alternative to swaging. They are fully self assembled (Using a Spanner) for fast, secured, highly corrosive and professional finish"

????
 
vyv_cox said:
Material seems to be the same as others use. I can't see the drawings too well but assume they are OK. Architectural loads are presumably similar to standing rigging ones.
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thats what i thought in all honesty. i am not getting too hung up about the typo.
 
I like the idea and simplicity but somehow 'feel' that the traditional fitting where you part and separate the strands over the cone would grip the wire better ??
This is intuition and I would like to shown to be wrong ( so I can use these!!)
 
pcatterall said:
I like the idea and simplicity but somehow 'feel' that the traditional fitting where you part and separate the strands over the cone would grip the wire better ??
This is intuition and I would like to shown to be wrong ( so I can use these!!)
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All that a swage does is compress a piece of steel tube over the wire, these achieve exactly the same thing by compressing a split collet over the wire and there is no reason for it to be any less secure than the fiddly type where a cone is inserted between the core wires and the outer ones. That type relies on the ends of the outer wires being bent over the end of the cone. The only way to be sure that they are assembled correctly is to undo them and look. The simpler assembly method of these should be foolproof.
 
Norman_E said:
All that a swage does is compress a piece of steel tube over the wire, these achieve exactly the same thing by compressing a split collet over the wire and there is no reason for it to be any less secure than the fiddly type where a cone is inserted between the core wires and the outer ones. That type relies on the ends of the outer wires being bent over the end of the cone. The only way to be sure that they are assembled correctly is to undo them and look. The simpler assembly method of these should be foolproof.
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yes I appreciate the similarities to how a swaged fitting works but have nothing to tell me if compression with a spanner will equal that achieved in a swaging press.
 
These look good, quite like the idea of doing it like this. Infact I may get one to see what there like give it a test.
 
pcatterall said:
yes I appreciate the similarities to how a swaged fitting works but have nothing to tell me if compression with a spanner will equal that achieved in a swaging press.
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Well, ones like Norseman and Stayloc do OK with spanners? So why not these? The legal responabilites for the arquitechtural lot are just as tough as for marine, likely more so.
 
I live about two hundred yards from the factory. I'll have a ride up and see what they're like. One of the benefits of being a Black Country citizen��
 
I doubt that a swaging machine will achieve much more than a spanner used to force a slightly conical collet into a matching hole, as the mechanical advantage is huge, and provided the collet and the nut are accurately made (probably CNC machined) the pull out force will probably exceed the safe working load limit of the wire. Blue Wave swageless terminals also use a collet which fits over the wire. http://bluewave.dk/technical-info-2/swage-and-swageless-fittings/
 
Norman_E said:
I doubt that a swaging machine will achieve much more than a spanner used to force a slightly conical collet into a matching hole, as the mechanical advantage is huge, and provided the collet and the nut are accurately made (probably CNC machined) the pull out force will probably exceed the safe working load limit of the wire. Blue Wave swageless terminals also use a collet which fits over the wire. http://bluewave.dk/technical-info-2/swage-and-swageless-fittings/
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OK... convinced!! Then why have I been messing about shredding my finger ends etc with NorsMan/StayLok fittings?? And forking out more dosh to boot!
 
How many virtual pints of beer would we have to buy Vyv Cox to persuade him to run some destructive tests on these?
On a more serious note, would PBO pay him to do that?
 
DownWest said:
Well, ones like Norseman and Stayloc do OK with spanners? So why not these? The legal responabilites for the arquitechtural lot are just as tough as for marine, likely more so.
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In my earlier response I mentioned that StayLok and NorseMan gripped the wire in a different way IE by separating the strands and bending them over the cones so the principle was somewhat different.
However I am now converted!
 
It says "this is a new easy fit system where the cone goes over the whole wire rope and is a lot easier to fit than cheaper multi part alternatives"

I really don't like that idea, the beauty of Staylok and Nors is that the cone causes the outer wires to be securely trapped, these sound like they are just held by compression.
 
As above, I want to see far more info before I'd use these in anger.
I've used a similar product made in France which had two problems,
The steel used had a tendency to cold weld itself which resulted in you not being able to fully tighten or undo so you had to cut it off and start again.
Also, similar to some cheap German 1/19 wire, it showed signs of staining after 7 or 8 months. (looked a bit like rust but was a brown stain)

Now these one may not suffer the same issues but as I've said I'd want some reliable independent recommendation before I try them.
 
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