Anti Social Behaviour

[1bobt]

I've done it myself, loads of times. perhaps being a 6'4" bloke helps, but I find that approaching the offender and saying "Excuse me, had you realised that this is the quiet zone" works wonders in almost all cases. It gives them a get-out, you see, of not having realised, which is much less of a loss of face than being told to stick to the rules.

For annoying business types having long and loud conversations with the office at the other end of an otherwise peaceful carriage, I have established (honest!) that shouting "QUIET ZOOOOONE" at the top of my voice (a) convulses the carriage and (b) shuts the guity party up like a trap.

None of this works on drunks or scousers, by the way. They're the reason tasers were invented.

Why do Jocks always think themselves the hardest people in the world and would threaten smaller people with violence
Where I come from 6` 4" would get you 24"X 3"X 2"

cheers bobt

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

Although I dislike the noisey rabble who go on past late evening in close proximity to others, I reckon you have to plan ahead and make sure you get a good nights sleep if you have a big trip starting early and if that means anchoring out and avoiding the noise, then so be it.

 

[tom52]

More stereotyping

None of this works on drunks or scousers, by the way. They're the reason tasers were invented.

I presume this comment does not apply to black scousers ?

 

[Pye_End]

Not if you expect the rest of the world to be an extension of your home. If it is only going to make you unhappy probably best avoided. If I want peace and quiet I stay at home. Why not make bed time more flexible when you are away, tired children always fall asleep.

I am not a miserable old fart who needs to hang up my halyards in preferance to a pair of comfy slippers - I enjoy life as the next person does. However in my pursuit of enjoyment I do not expect to annoy half the marina. It is possible to do both with a bit of thought and consideration. However as has been said 'it is a sign of the times' that people look after number one first, and second, and third....

As to children comment - flexible bedtimes is pretty inevitable as tides do as they please. They do tend to get up between 7 and 8 though, regardless of when they go to bed, and then they are grumpy!

 

[Pye_End]

My comments were directed at those "...with children who expect silence from mid evening.", which I don't think is reasonable.

Not trawing through all the posts for this, but can't recall anybody suggesting this. If it was aimed at me then I suggested 11pm as a reasonable time to quieten down and allow people to sleep.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Why do Jocks always think themselves the hardest people in the world and would threaten smaller people with violence

Do we really? If you read my post you'll note that the two techniques I advocated were a polite request and a slightly silly bit of public humiliation. I would never use or threaten to use violence: mobile phones in a quiet zone are annoying but prosecution for assault can ruin your day.

Only professionals should taser Scousers, though watching it on pay-per-view would be acceptable for the rest of us.

 

[Ceirwan]

Bully for you. When I was 22 I wasn't sitting at a computer telling a bunch of other people to chill out, I was out partying (but not going out of my way to p!ss people off). Now I'm twice that age - not that old but not young as such - and I usually sail with my wife and small son. My wife works extremely hard during the week in a psychologically very stressful job. I work pretty damned hard myself sometimes seven days a week in a marginal self-employed business (which I enjoy doing in its own right, not just as a means to afford a boat or to get sh!t-arsed).


Babs

I'm not quoting all of your post as that would make mine a bit long.
Well for starters when you were 22 of course you weren't sat at a computer, the internet wasn't publicly available and most people didn't have computers.

I'm glad to hear that when you were my age you never stopped partying ever, therefore would have never had time to post your view on an ongoing discussion.
I also go sailing because I enjoy it, I also enjoy partying so I combine the two.
The point I was trying to make is that I think its courtesy to let someone have their party one night out of 7.
Thats called give and take.
(Oh and well done with your prowess with women, I'm not sure how it applied to the topic but thumbs up all the same.)

I find it hard to sleep when there is too much noise going on, as do my young children who get very grumpy if they don't get to sleep early.

Early starts - I am as quiet as I can - not stomping around the pontoons; shouting to be heard by crew etc.; revving engine prior to departure - and most people are considerate. Perhaps the noisy ones are also noisy going into the night as well?

The point about going and joining the party - people's boats are private property, not public bars. Joining in would be at their discretion, not that of the members of this forum!

Party poopers - nobody is suggesting no partying - there are loads of places ashore where noise is expected as opening hours etc. have been through planning/council etc.

If you were at home and could hear your neighbours till 1am once a week, with the clarity that a thickness of fibreglass allows, how long would it be before you complained?

You have a valid point, but as I said above, give and take goes two ways, and people need a chance to party as well. I can hear my neighbours very regularly, the ones upstairs are students and often partying away multiple nights a week.

Why do you assume we don't work all week too because I certainly do? .

If you read carefully then you will see that I wrote:
"appreciate that some of you retired people the weekend doesn't have any real significance"

There is no unwritten rule, time moves on, at one point women weren't allowed to vote, I know that's hardly a relevant example but, what is acceptable and isn't changes as time goes on.

It's partying through to the small hours .

The best kind...!

 

[Rabbie]

Peace and quiet.

Having cruised the south coast for nearly 40 years, I can count on both hands the times I have stayed in a marina. Reading these posts, you may understand why.

 

[l'escargot]

Not trawing through all the posts for this, but can't recall anybody suggesting this. If it was aimed at me then I suggested 11pm as a reasonable time to quieten down and allow people to sleep.

From one of your posts:

"I find it hard to sleep when there is too much noise going on, as do my young children who get very grumpy if they don't get to sleep early."

I took "early" for young children to be significantly before 11 o'clock.

...However as has been said 'it is a sign of the times' that people look after number one first, and second, and third....

Naturally, and you are as guilty as the next man.

 

[Ubergeekian]

The point I was trying to make is that I think its courtesy to let someone have their party one night out of 7.

I think you need to remember that for many people there only are one or perhaps two nights in a sailing week. Buggering up other people's entire weekend by keeping them awake until 3am is not courteous

Thats called give and take.

So is stopping the loud party at 11pm or midnight, my boy.

There is no unwritten rule, time moves on, at one point women weren't allowed to vote, I know that's hardly a relevant example but, what is acceptable and isn't changes as time goes on.

Believe it or not, son, your generation didn't invent parties

 

[Robin]

Originally Posted by Robin
Why do you assume we don't work all week too because I certainly do? .


If you read carefully then you will see that I wrote:
"appreciate that some of you retired people the weekend doesn't have any real significance"

There is no unwritten rule, time moves on, at one point women weren't allowed to vote, I know that's hardly a relevant example but, what is acceptable and isn't changes as time goes on.

Do you really know what an arrogant young man that and some of your other comments make you appear?

I will say it again, I AM NOT RETIRED and THE WEEKEND DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANCE TO ME. Now did I say that loud enough to get through to you over the noise of your party? Not that it is relevant anyway because excessive noise is just as irritatingly inconsiderate Monday to Friday.

Party and socialise by all means but do it out of earshot after midnight please, just go below and shut the hatches. If you want a full on dance party then go to the local disco or club, because the visitor pontoons are not the place for it.

What is acceptable or not does change, but it should do so by common agreement of all not by the unilateral actions of a noisy minority.

Thankfully I know enough sailing young people to know that yours is still an isolated attitude, but then maybe the ones I know were brought up with manners and consideration. Time to grow up if you want to play with adults?

 

[Moodyjim]

What does being ex-military have to do with it apart from some form of obscure self esteem?
Parties on boats are a regular feature - especially racing crews. Sometimes they can be a pain in the bottom but there is surely an element of give and take if it doesn't go on toooo long. It can be nice to see peeps enjoying themselves on occasion.
Moderation in all things including moderation.

 

[PilotWolf]

I've not read the whole thread as it is late here and I got bored but...

I find it rather odd that those who are so anti the party goers, (who whilst annnoying and inconsiderate are probably not breaking any laws), seem so happy to condone criminal damge or would could be construed as assualt as a way of retaliation.

PW

 

[rivonia]

Going back to the start of this thread. The point is it has raised a lot of comments some good and some bad. Now the point is this. The gentleman went and asked them politely to quiten down. Which they did not (as they were inebriated).

The question realy is HOW can we all deal with these people who appear to be thoughtless and only thinking of themselfs (selfish)

There have been many ideas/suggestions on how to proceed, but in the end they (the iconsiderate louts) have to be EDUCATED in correct/polite manners.

As they are usually Lager Louts then treat them with the contempt that they deserve, howsoever that may be

Peter

 

[Dockhead]

Attached picture was taken mid-week in Komiza, Vis Island, Croatia in August this year. The bay was full including this raft of more than 25 charter boats full of young Scandinavians - I guess at least 150 people - who started arriving in the late afternoon.

The partying started as soon as they arrived but stopped at about midnight when most of them went off to the town disco which was out of earshot. Unfortunately the party started again around 3am when they returned and continued until the sun came up around 6am when we finally got some sleep! I woke up around 9am as the heat built up - most of the rafted boats had slipped away by then!

Several times between 3am and 6am I heard requests for silence from, I assume, the charter skipper. The music and singing volume would go down for a few minutes before inevitably coming back up. Different boats were even playing different CDs at the same time!

I'm all for young people enjoying themselves and, although we have two children aboard, I had no issue with the partying till midnight.....but the session till 6am has surely got to count as a "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" (UN Treaty on Torture)!

Richard

Ha, ha -- I encountered a huge raft of rambunctious Swedes on charter boats in Croatia three years ago, myself.

But the circumstances were different. We were on a charter boat ourselves, a lovely Salona 45, which had only one defect -- a really crappy Chinese imitation Bruce anchor which was, besides all that undersized, so altogether most unsuitable for the difficult bottom conditions there. A violent thunderstorm blew up one night while we were anchored out in Hvar harbour, and we dragged anchor like every other boat in the harbour, and spent a dreadful night trying to avoid a collision, all night long. The crappy imitation Bruce anchor -- the only one on board -- was bent in the process. We sailed on to a quiet bay down the coast of Hvar on the little island of Cedro, exhausted by the horrible night, and tried to anchor. The bent Bruce would not hold -- no way. There was this huge raft of Swedes further up the creek, and we turned to them for help -- they kindly let us raft up and really helped us out.

Around midnight the party really got going. They were playing guitars and singing in loud, hoarse voices like the Russian bard Vysotsky, laughing, and carrying on. It went on all night until the sun was well up. It was hot as hell and the boat had no aircon, so closing the hatches was out of the question. Being guests of course we could not say a word. My wife was fuming, but I was only grateful to be able to spend a night at last without the terror of going onto the rocks or colliding with another boat.

So anyway -- your "louts" may actually be the good samaritans you will need the next day. I always try to treat other sailors like that, even if they are high-spirited, or inconsiderate, at a given moment. I NEVER treat other sailors with contempt or aggression (as some here have recommended), however much they might irritate me at one or another moment -- it's not seaman-like, in my book.

The best defense against this kind of problem is to have the ability of shutting up your boat tightly. If you've got central heat and/or aircon (depending on the season), and best of all if you have a cored hull like we do, you can isolate yourself pretty well. Even better yet -- crank up your generator and fall asleep to its soothing rumble. In the worst case, slip the dock lines and shove off for another spot.

"Moderation in all things including moderation" -- wonderful advice.

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

Well what a mixed bunch we seem to have here, ranging from the let's shoot em brigade to the live and let live.

it does seem somewhat inconsiderate to continue the pontoon party if it's particularly noisy much after midnight. For me that's the witching hour, but obviously for others it's earlier than that. .

I gues if all things are in moderation, then progressing with loud parties in marinas into a.m. would be too late for 'old fart's' like me and those with children aboard.

Perhaps most of the marinas will end up similar to places like Benewhatsit and other places abroad that seem dominted by loutish behaviour.
Even more reason to buy a good anchor!

 

[kdband]

This is a great topic to read, it's amazing how diverse peoples reactions seem to be on this subject.

I've generally no problem with people having a good time, but surely there has to be some consideration given to the people around you. I think the problem is that everyone has a different opinion of what is reasonable.
For some 11pm seems to be the point at which it's time to quieten things down. Some seem to think up until midnight is OK. There are a few who think it's reasonable to party all night long and couldn't care less who get's upset by it. After all, they've been told "You've gotta fight, for the right, to Paaaaaarty!"

I think the other problem is that surely alcohol was involved, in which case people tend to lose their perspective on what is reasonable and what isn't. What does surprise me though, is that here we have presumably sober responses from people who appear to see nothing wrong with partying all night long regardless of where they are or who they are affecting.

Somebody asked earlier about experiences from campers and if they are similar. I've camped on and off for many years, and most campsites have a curfew at around 11pm - midnight. Any unwanted noise beyond that time is liable to get you thrown off the site.

I recall one occasion on a campsite in France a few years ago where there was a large family group enjoying themselves. The trouble was that they were still drinking and being loud at 1.30am while the rest of the campsite were all trying to sleep. My wife had finally had enough and went over to point out what time it was and ask if they would keep the noise down. All she got for her trouble was, as I had predicted, a string of drunken abuse. Eventually, some time later they did quieten down and we all managed to get some sleep.

The following morning, the woman in the group who had been the one given my wife verbals the previous night, came over rather sheepishly and apologised, explaining that they had been celebrating their daughters exam results and things had got a little out of hand. We accepted her apology on the understanding that it was a one off. However, it didn't help because it seems that several other people had chosen to complain to the site manager rather than speaking directly to them as my wife had done. The net result was that they were asked to leave the site that same day.

 

[rickym]

The paradox of freedom as explained to me some 40 years ago.

"You are free to do anything you like as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's freedom to do whatever they wish and therefore spoil their freedom"

It is something I have instilled in my children and hopefully try to live by myself.

Guilty as charged of having drinking parties on the pontoon at way past midnight as well, none of us are perfect.

 

[Major Catastrophe]

As for the USA you might think they are laid back but you would be very surprised. They have very strict rules about alcahol and boats and drunks of any variety anyway anywhere are not tolerated. Get noisily drunk in most states and you will spend a night in jail and even the barman that served you will be in trouble. They certainly don't stand for the shit that our police do on every Saturday night in town centres and they don't pussyfoot around with their customers like ours do either.

I've attended quite a few parties in Los Angeles, including a couple of noisy corporate dos in Marina del Rey. I've also seen Spring Break in Florida and witnessed Saturday night in Miami, San Francisco and Atlanta. Police there seem no different to ours. Quiet tolerance until the fighting/puking/peeing breaks out, then a few heads are knocked together.

Of course, in small town America, they make their own laws.

 

[Robin]

I've attended quite a few parties in Los Angeles, including a couple of noisy corporate dos in Marina del Rey. I've also seen Spring Break in Florida and witnessed Saturday night in Miami, San Francisco and Atlanta. Police there seem no different to ours. Quiet tolerance until the fighting/puking/peeing breaks out, then a few heads are knocked together.

Of course, in small town America, they make their own laws.

I don't know California but anyway each State is different. Texas used not to allow bars to open on Sundays, I don't know if that is still true but Indiana still has no alcohol sales on Sundays.

Civic posts like the Mayor and the Sheriff are voted in appointments and the voters love strict policing.

We have a family member who spent a very uncomfortable night in jail after a car accident, he wasn't drunk although he had been drinking but the driver was over the limit. Despite saving the driver's life whilst waiting for the ambulance and being injured himself, he was still charged with being drunk even as just a passenger and kept (actually 'thrown' would be a good description) in jail overnight. Tip, never tell a Republican Sheriff that you are a Democrat and have a friend in the Mayors Office..