Anti Social Behaviour

jhr said:
... has anything to do with the mob in Yarmouth, unless Yarmouth has suddenly moved about 1,000 miles South-West :D
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..or remains 10 miles to the west of East Cowes where this happened - keep up.

I can't believe how many people think that boat parks should be silent places - especially those with children who expect silence from mid evening. My daughter is 13 and we were sailing with her from 3 months old, home and abroad. If I expected quiet evenings to get her off to sleep at normal times I would have stayed at home!

DrInking and socialising is part of marina life just like neighbours sometimes have parties at home.
 
Ceirwan said:
I believe there is a generation divide here!
I'm currently 22, If someone wants a party I don't care i'll join in, even if I want some rest... I'll have no trouble sleeping through it, safe in the knowledge that when I have my party at some point they likewise won't complain.

Why do some of you see it as bad manners and a sign of bad etiquette when you don't get your way of having the marina dead quiet 7 days a week, give and take surely... On a weekend I like to unwind, I appreciate that some of you retired people the weekend doesn't have any real significance, but when you work all week you want to have a good time at the weekend.

Its rather annoying to get told by someone that your disturbing them when they have no trouble making all the noise they want at 7AM because they're early risers.
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Why do you assume we don't work all week too because I certainly do? The original post was about East Cowes marina which will be full to the brim most Saturday nights in season with visiting boats and many of these will be out, maybe with young family on board, on their weekend off from work so why should one or two inconsiderate loudmouth pricks make it a sleepless night for the majority?

If you think you need to unwind of a weekend by partying then feel free, but please do it where it doesn't disturb others. YOU be the ones to move it somewhere else. This NOT an age thing at all it is about common courtesy and manners.

If you read my earlier posts you will see that we expect to be able to arrive and depart silently and take it as a real compliment when others nearby don't realise we have done. We are quite sociable too and enjoy the odd drink or three with friends on board, but the unwritten rule is that after 11pm or thereabouts the gathering moves out of the cockpit and below decks so nobody else is disturbed.
 
1bobt said:
Hope the gunfire will not keep you awake in the USA!!!!!!

No really, if lots of people from various countries are having a good time on their holls it is resonable for one person to decide what they should do in a tourist port

I know that if I was unhappy with events I would move or join in the fun ,as said most nights out here you dont go out till midnight and to bed about 6am

cheers bobt

cheers bobt
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All ports are tourist ports if boats are moving from place to place surely? Moving isn't really an option at midnight in a packed marina in the Solent, there is nowhere to move to.

We keep our boat in a club marina that welcomes visitors. Are you suggesting that if some of the party on regardless brigade are there as visitors that we should go somewhere else and leave them to it to enjoy themselves? Dream on.

As for the USA you might think they are laid back but you would be very surprised. They have very strict rules about alcahol and boats and drunks of any variety anyway anywhere are not tolerated. Get noisily drunk in most states and you will spend a night in jail and even the barman that served you will be in trouble. They certainly don't stand for the shit that our police do on every Saturday night in town centres and they don't pussyfoot around with their customers like ours do either.
 
Babylon said:
Bully for you. When I was 22 I wasn't sitting at a computer telling a bunch of other people to chill out,

Its just a question of recognising the simple fact of common courtesy to others.

Happy sailing!

Babs
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good on you Babylon.

Yes it is a generation or two in the divide between the youth of today and when I was growing up in the 60's.

Yep, we did get into mischief as students.... but generally we and most others knew when to stop....some of todays middle aged and youth have 'progressed' far beyond into the most selfish society yet..... I blame Maggie Thatcher!!!.. woops, musn't use bad language
;-)

This behaviour is one of the reasons I go to Marinas rarely as I'm afraid I would be liable to take serious action to shut them up therefore getting myself into dreadful trouble.

I've heard of boats slipping their moorings to get away whilst a member of the crew lobs a fire extinguisher into the offending boat before jumping back on their own boat to make a run for it........ extreme, but I bet it stops the party???

It's a god reason to buy a Rocna. Have a good time in town then clear off out to sleep quietly in the nearest anchorage
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Well what a mixed bunch we seem to have here, ranging from the let's shoot em brigade to the live and let live.

Who in their right minds would
1) turn a hosepipe on the party
2) leave a turd in their cockpit
3) lob a fire extinguisher at them

etc etc.

Hope I never meet any of you when I'm afloat. I actually like to hear people enjoying themselves. But on the other hand it does seem somewhat inconsiderate to continue the pontoon party if it's particularly noisy much after midnight. For me that's the witching hour, but obviously for others it's earlier than that. Beyond that I would start to get a bit peeved but I must get around to buying some ear plugs for the boat.

Luckily in 20 odd years of boating there's less than a handful of occasions I'd have wanted to use them (the earplugs) which is probably why I still haven't got any on board. So most people aren't that bad and I can live with the very odd exception to the rule.
 
l'escargot said:
My daughter is 13 and we were sailing with her from 3 months old, home and abroad. If I expected quiet evenings to get her off to sleep at normal times I would have stayed at home!
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Perhaps you are luckier than me - 2 out of 3 of mine do not get to sleep with too much noise (and neither can I).

As to suggesting that I give up yachting because of other people being inconsiderate - seems a bit extreme don't you think?
 
..or remains 10 miles to the west of East Cowes where this happened - keep up.
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Oops; I can't keep up - obviously didn't get enough sleep last night because of the party going on next door :D

I like parties but I also like sleep. I also have to confess to feeling incredibly embarrassed a couple of years ago, on a flotilla holiday, when our group were still making quite a lot of noise at one in the morning in an idyllic anchorage in the Greek Islands. There were other boats there and, although the lead flotilla boat warned them about the likely noise, as and when they arrived, I still felt we were out of order.

A general observation: Let's suppose you are going to be up early for a short-handed Channel crossing the next day. You are kept awake until the small hours by a boatload of merrymakers next to you. After a tough crossing, on the approach to your destination, with ferries whizzing around you and a tide pushing you past the harbour entrance, fatigue destroys your concentration and things go seriously pear-shaped. Would it have been acting like a spoilsport to have asked the merrymakers to keep the noise down the night before? Just a thought.
 
As someone said earlier we live in a 24x7 world. This issue has nothing to do with sailing /mobos/marinas or city centres. It is the shame of it that we all expect our "right" there is so little thought about others. Why can't we get to a balance? When pubs closed at 11, everyone new that meant folk generally did the drinking bit til then, then slept, then went to work around 7ish the next morning. Life had a rythmn and everyone sort of fitted in. Now we have everything available 24x7 its YOUR choice when you consume it! Isn't it great? Yes. As long as you have some form of social conscience. If what you are doing will clearly negatively impact others and they have no reasonable escape don't do it for long periods or leave the evidence!

I don't think people give a toss about others any more.
When I was a teenager, if we had a party we invited the neighbours (even though they were old) they had a great time for an hour, went home and though what nice kids we were for inviting them! If you are gonna ruin someone elses night in a marina stick a sign on the pontoon saying "All welcome on A34 tonight 21:00 - 00:30" - That way people know what to expect. Not difficult really....
 
Pye_End said:
Perhaps you are luckier than me - 2 out of 3 of mine do not get to sleep with too much noise (and neither can I).

As to suggesting that I give up yachting because of other people being inconsiderate - seems a bit extreme don't you think?
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Not if you expect the rest of the world to be an extension of your home. If it is only going to make you unhappy probably best avoided. If I want peace and quiet I stay at home. Why not make bed time more flexible when you are away, tired children always fall asleep.
 
orbister said:
Perhaps marinas could designate one area of visitor berths as the quiet zone, as on trains?
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Or better still a noisy zone. There are still very few such inconsiderate pillocks around, so it would be much easier to find a space for them rather than designate a quiet zone for the rest of us. Next to the sewage outfall springs to mind. In the Solent, you could even designate one marina to take them all together - I think they made a start with that idea in West Cowes already, I'm told it's where most of the corporate jollies go.:)
 
Last year I heard of one Italian yacht whose crew and skipper had been a pain during the night, that were set loose by others on the moorings in the early hours to simply drift away into the gloom. :-)
Another story told this week was of one particular gentleman who was berrating another crew alongside for making errors whilst 'parking up'.
One very large member of the crew having the problems simply went to him when satisfactorily moored and hit him! :-)
No messing....... sorted!
 
jhr said:
Nice thought, but have you ever tried (politely) to get someone in a train quiet zone to stop using his/her phone? Or tried to get a guard to do something about it? :)
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I've done it myself, loads of times. perhaps being a 6'4" bloke helps, but I find that approaching the offender and saying "Excuse me, had you realised that this is the quiet zone" works wonders in almost all cases. It gives them a get-out, you see, of not having realised, which is much less of a loss of face than being told to stick to the rules.

For annoying business types having long and loud conversations with the office at the other end of an otherwise peaceful carriage, I have established (honest!) that shouting "QUIET ZOOOOONE" at the top of my voice (a) convulses the carriage and (b) shuts the guity party up like a trap.

None of this works on drunks or scousers, by the way. They're the reason tasers were invented.
 
This reminds me of an instance, so this is confession time.....

When I was in Spain during my 'yoof', 1969 I think it was, we were in the hotel basement cabaret club, during the early evening.
The audience were mostly English and I felt very young amongst the crowd.
The band were playing many tunes easily recognised with an English/American slant to the titles/lyrics etc..
Then suddenly, as the band began the intro' of yet another favourite, a huge man stood up in the midst of the surrounding holiday makers, who were by now well into their evening of fun, and began shouting at the top of his voice in a very Germanic accent things like "We want German music, no more English rubbish" etc....
The band carried on and finished the piece with the applause a little more muted than previously heard when the giant man stood and shouted again to have "German music, we want German music". The man on the keyboard instantly began an oompa oompa type piece which brought the house down in tears of laughter. The big man was not amused and began bellowing at the top of his voice things which can only be described as Germanic insults to the band and the audience.
Now, picture the scene with this all happening in a very dark smoke filled low ceilinged club, where the majority of the people were comfortably embibed, and til now happy and relaxed.
People started telling him to "sit down and relax, enjoy yourself, dont get in a strop, we're only having fun". Have you ever known a German in this situation to laugh at himself?
Well it got worse and the band was for a moment unable to play on.
Then all of a sudden the German fell to the ground, suddenly felled by straight right from a 5'9" 10 and a 1/2 stone lightweight.
The assailent disappeared into the dark of the room whilst the heavy flaccid body of the German was carried out by the hotel staff.
The music played on and it turned out to be a very pleasant evening.... of very Anglo/American music.
Later that night as we made our way to our rooms, my girlfriend of the time said to me,
"How on earth did you graze those knuckles on your right hand like that?" :-)

I'm not advocating 'the physical' to solve the problem of anti social behaviour, but ......you should have heard the cheer as he hit the deck!
 
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jhr said:
...A general observation: Let's suppose you are going to be up early for a short-handed Channel crossing the next day. You are kept awake until the small hours by a boatload of merrymakers next to you. After a tough crossing, on the approach to your destination, with ferries whizzing around you and a tide pushing you past the harbour entrance, fatigue destroys your concentration and things go seriously pear-shaped. Would it have been acting like a spoilsport to have asked the merrymakers to keep the noise down the night before? Just a thought.
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My comments were directed at those "...with children who expect silence from mid evening.", which I don't think is reasonable.

In the circumstances you describe I would probably not have put myself in that position - I would have taken responsibility for giving myself the best chance for being fit for whatever I wanted to do the next day. I would have spent the night perhaps anchored just inside Keyhaven or maybe the buoys outside of Yarmouth, for two reasons. One, that it would probably be quieter, and two, I probably wouldn't disturb anyone when I left - there, both sides happy.:)
 
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