Anti Social Behaviour
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rivonia
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webcraft
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Noise levels from parties on board should drop after 11, and should not stop people sleeping after midnight.Says who? What manual of seamanship is that rule in?
I don't like people who get up early in the morning and make a lot of cheerful departing noises when I fancy a lie-in - but I realise that they have a perfect right to do so and I grin and bear it. There are no rules, keep earplugs on board and chill out a bit
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Robin
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Noise levels from parties on board should drop after 11, and should not stop people sleeping after midnight.Says who? What manual of seamanship is that rule in?
I don't like people who get up early in the morning and make a lot of cheerful departing noises when I fancy a lie-in - but I realise that they have a perfect right to do so and I grin and bear it. There are no rules, keep earplugs on board and chill out a bit
- W
It isn't in any manual of seamanship it is just common courtesy and it used to be part of the etiquette observed by pretty well all until recent years. To be fair, most of the offenders are newcomers who can perhaps be excused (once) for not thinking there might just be others around with early starts planned or with kids on board. Charter crews are prime offenders, a weekend away with the lads and all meals in the pub with loads of beer to wash it down followed by a philosophical discussion in the cockpit that can be heard miles away.
Etiquette to me says I want us to arrive and depart outside of normal hours without those nearby even noticing. That means it is not necessary to shout, jump heavily ashore and run engines for ages after tying up or before slipping. We have often had people in the next berth ask when we arrived as they were in bed and heard nothing. that is how it should be.
Anything less than that in crowded areas would be a total nightmare. It might be in the wilds up north that an occasional transgression could go forgiven but in the crowded Solent with hundreds of boats in every harbour on a Saturday night a little bit of courtesy goes a longway. It is a tribute to 99% of folks out there that when you do get a boatload of total plonkers it stands out so much that it gets reported on here, because most other times all is peace.
But then manners seems to be something to be sneered at these days and we are told to 'chill out'.
rallyveteran
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There are no rules, keep earplugs on board and chill out a bit
Oh but there are rules. Here is the relevant one from a marina I have used, not far from Cowes:
"Not to cause nuisance, annoyance or inconvenience to other Users, neighbouring residents or others whether by the use of noisy, noxious or objectionable engines, music systems, radios or other equipment or otherwise and in particular to secure halyards, flags, covers and the like so as not to cause noise, nuisance or annoyance."
Without rules such as these, and a readiness to enforce them, Marinas would have fewer boats in them.
tom52
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For someone who is the forum expert on racial stereotyping you seem very relaxed about
using unpleasant ageist stereotypes.
Heckler
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Searush
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On the face of it a fair cop . . . .
. . . . however, the self-made "righties" are often heard to voice their "right" to do as they please, regardless of the wishes/ needs of others or even any relevant laws.
Methinks there is no correct side to this arguement.
dmmbruce
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Tom52, did you know you have done 999 posts
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dmmbruce
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So Searush, which is the right, or left, side of a coin, and are they of different value?
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tom52
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Yes, but I am saving my 1000th for something really important...
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Sandyman
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Noise levels from parties on board should drop after 11, and should not stop people sleeping after midnight.
It isn't in any manual of seamanship it is just common courtesy and it used to be part of the etiquette observed by pretty well all until recent years. To be fair, most of the offenders are newcomers who can perhaps be excused (once) for not thinking there might just be others around with early starts planned or with kids on board. Charter crews are prime offenders, a weekend away with the lads and all meals in the pub with loads of beer to wash it down followed by a philosophical discussion in the cockpit that can be heard miles away.
Etiquette to me says I want us to arrive and depart outside of normal hours without those nearby even noticing. That means it is not necessary to shout, jump heavily ashore and run engines for ages after tying up or before slipping. We have often had people in the next berth ask when we arrived as they were in bed and heard nothing. that is how it should be.
Anything less than that in crowded areas would be a total nightmare. It might be in the wilds up north that an occasional transgression could go forgiven but in the crowded Solent with hundreds of boats in every harbour on a Saturday night a little bit of courtesy goes a longway. It is a tribute to 99% of folks out there that when you do get a boatload of total plonkers it stands out so much that it gets reported on here, because most other times all is peace.
But then manners seems to be something to be sneered at these days and we are told to 'chill out'.
SPOT ON. I notice that these were MOBO's ....................yet again. No need for them to understand our requirements of wind & tide and the need to get some kip for an early start.
Ubergeekian
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I write a as corpulent middle-aged person. And I stick by what I wrote: in a world where magazines can describe £60k yachts, without a blush as "ideal starter boats" and where a marina berth is often assumed, it's nice to see young people coming into the sport and reminding us all that it doesn't need to cost a fortune.
As for "tanned marinabrat" - I had the misfortune to have to go to Largs during some big Optimist championship this summer. Yeugh. Mind you, the parents are worse.
Ubergeekian
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Why on earth do you think I'm a lefty? Is it just because I don;t much care for the BNP worsjip which infests the lounge? For the record, the left give me the heebie-jeebies just as much as the right, and I find the psychopathic ramblings of the SWP just as vile as the racist rants of the BNP.
Ubergeekian
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Rules are for trivial stuff, like "who has right of way", or "when to enter a lock." The really important stuff, like "not disturbing people after midnight" and "no flushing sea-toilets in anchorages" don;t need rules because, unlike the first sort of issue, the principle should be immediately obvious.
It's manners, simple as that.
David_Jersey
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Those are your values, and possibly those of the majority of AW
B owners who use Marinas - but in 21st century New Britain being a majority is no longer an excuse to impose these so called "manners" on a minority who may have different cultural values. As a "foreigner" to your shores I would expect to feel welcomed with open arms 24/7 by both the Marina and my fellow boat owners, no matter that my cultural values are different - and require me to use bongo drums from the hours of 3am to 5am to both ward off evil spirits and to ensure that the sun does rise.
Remember, at night time (even in a Marina) we are all fundamently the same when standing on the foredeck - we all look a bit dusky to others.
It's all about respect. Innit
Robin
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In my experience it is not a mobo thing and I believe in this case one yacht and one mobo were involved, so 'honours' even.
As I've said before, a lot of the inconsiderate behaviour comes from sailing school or charter boats and most of these are sailing boats rather than powered. That isn't to say the infamous weekends for the mates don't also occur on powerboats however.
We have been rafted up or close by some very nice and very considerate charter crews and school boats too. However some seem to have nobody really in charge or who can be bothered to point out the etiquette side of things. Not just the late night noise things but not clumping backwards and forwards all evening over the raft in a continuous stream, always crossing via foredeck not cockpit, not kicking spinnaker poles or twanging rigging and guard rails and so on. As I mentioned before in the distant past I was roped in many times to skipper chartered yachts for the company I worked for and etiquette was high on my briefing list to the crews and nobody objected or thought it strange once it was explained to them.
We were once unfortunate enough to have a Services yacht in the next berth to us in Port Haliguen and (unlike most) this one was a nightmare. They changed crews and when I say change I mean CHANGE! It was a switch from a navy crew to a RAF crew or vice versa and they changed everything over, all the bedding, gas cylinders, foodstuffs and so on like the boat was being taken over by new owners. All this took place late on as the van arrived about 9pm and the final handover was well after midnight but somehow one of the new crew had managed to find a stock of beer that had him singing on well into the night. Nobody on board seemed to care, unbelievable.
john_morris_uk
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If this was something to do with them, there might have been a couple of reasons to join them? You can see one of the reasons just to the right of the picture.
Which leads me to wonder who was holding the camera when that picture was taken - I assume that it wasn't a man.
Not meaning to drift the thread, but I followed the link to the pictures and couldn't resist the comment...
Ubergeekian
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Which leads me to wonder who was holding the camera when that picture was taken - I assume that it wasn't a man.
'Course it was a man. Who else would ignore the breasts in order to get a shot of a c ...
Oops, that's not a very nice thought, is it?
jhr
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To quote Stephen Fry: "Countryside: the act of murdering Piers Morgan".
Actually, I don't think the company on the Facebook page ("yacht charter in the Mediterranean") in question has anything to do with the mob in Yarmouth, unless Yarmouth has suddenly moved about 1,000 miles South-West