Another Tourist Boat Catastrophe

[Irish Rover]

Seventeen missing after tourist boat sinks in Red Sea

 

[capnsensible]

Tragic. Hope the speculators don't get carried away....

 

[wonkywinch]

Scuba "liveaboard" vessel .. MMSI 622110429

 

[Bouba]

I’m sure you are all aware of the tragedy....
Sixteen missing after tourist boat sinks in Red Sea
This article says a giant wave....this is a big boat (which doesn’t look wooden hulled as stated in the article, but could be) and rough weather.
‘Huge wave’ capsized Red Sea diving boat

 

[Stemar]

Sad.

From the Beeb:
Authorities have not indicated the possible cause of the incident, but added accounts of people onboard mentioned a wave hit the boat and caused it to capsize. Weather forecasters had warned against marine activities for Sunday and Monday.

One has to wonder what they were doing at sea.

 

[Irish Rover]

Sad.

From the Beeb:
Authorities have not indicated the possible cause of the incident, but added accounts of people onboard mentioned a wave hit the boat and caused it to capsize. Weather forecasters had warned against marine activities for Sunday and Monday.

One has to wonder what they were doing at sea.

Reports are suggesting wind speeds of 34kts and waves 3/4 metres. You'd expect a 34M yacht to be able to handle those conditions.

 

[veshengro]

" You'd expect a 34M yacht to be able to handle those conditions. "

Without prejudging, I would say that depends on the standard of manufacture of the vessel and her handling. It will be interesting to see which, if any, International Standards this wooden vessel and her safety equipment met. Too early to say of course, but the enquiry findings will be interesting and hopefully educational.

 

[Irish Rover]

 

[Irish Rover]

" You'd expect a 34M yacht to be able to handle those conditions. "

Without prejudging, I would say that depends on the standard of manufacture of the vessel and her handling. It will be interesting to see which, if any, International Standards this wooden vessel and her safety equipment met. Too early to say of course, but the enquiry findings will be interesting and hopefully educational.

I've seen it reported as a wooden hulled yacht but the photo above doesn't look like a wooden hull.

 

[Graham376]

I've seen it reported as a wooden hulled yacht but the photo above doesn't look like a wooden hull.

It's reported here as wooden but possibly not built to known standards -

 

[veshengro]

I've seen it reported as a wooden hulled yacht but the photo above doesn't look like a wooden hull.

Yes, it certainly doesn't look to be wooden, but I have seen a report from a fairly reliable source stating that she is wooden, Egyptian built and not registered under any class of build. It also inferred that she was not equipped with AIS as required for a vessel of that size and to me anyway, a more concerning suggestion, a photo showing she suffered from the Titanic syndrome , ie: life saving equipment, Rafts not in sufficient numbers from crew and passengers carried. Enough rafts in total shown, but such a vessel should have enough rafts each side to take all persons aboard.

But we'll wait and see as judgement from a keyboard is not fair on those concerned.

 

[starfire]

To my mind, looks top heavy.

 

[Irish Rover]

It's reported here as wooden but possibly not built to known standards -

That's quite a hatchet job.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

That's quite a hatchet job.

The YouTube channel linked by @Graham376 is usually a reliable source of information and tends not to speculate. It is generally accurate and has, AFAIK, reported accurately and honestly on the Superyacht industry for years, it was very good as a source of info for the Bayesian sinking, he reported very accurately on the various Oligarchs yachts affected by sanctions - I verified his reporting with my brother who also works in the industry with many of the affected yachts. He hasn't been far off the mark for the years I've been watching him - and if he is wrong, an immediate correction usually follows pretty swifly. As a source of info he is pretty reliable IMO and has contacts everywhere.

 

[Irish Rover]

The YouTube channel linked by @Graham376 is usually a reliable source of information and tends not to speculate. It is generally accurate and has, AFAIK, reported accurately and honestly on the Superyacht industry for years, it was very good as a source of info for the Bayesian sinking, he reported very accurately on the various Oligarchs yachts affected by sanctions - I verified his reporting with my brother who also works in the industry with many of the affected yachts. He hasn't been far off the mark for the years I've been watching him - and if he is wrong, an immediate correction usually follows pretty swifly. As a source of info he is pretty reliable IMO and has contacts everywhere.

OK I'm not familiar with the guy but, for instance, I was struck by his suggestion the company took the boat off their website to stop people being able to see that the listed safety equipment was inadequate.

 

[Porthandbuoy]

I wonder if it been built to any recognised code? Egypt has a pretty laissez-faire attitude to building and modifying boats. Anyone remember the MS al-Salam Boccaccio?

 

[Baggywrinkle]

OK I'm not familiar with the guy but, for instance, I was struck by his suggestion the company took the boat off their website to stop people being able to see that the listed safety equipment was inadequate.

It's common practice, deflection and damage control are normal in this day and age due to the reach of social media - so any response to a tragedy usually includes removing public access to potentially sensitive information. I personally would have been surprised if it remained up with detailed pictures of the boat, including all the safety equipment etc. They are not the first, and will not be the last company to do this.

One thing is for sure, the company concerned has a sh!tstorm coming.

 

[Irish Rover]

It's common practice, deflection and damage control are normal in this day and age due to the reach of social media - so any response to a tragedy usually includes removing public access to potentially sensitive information. I personally would have been surprised if it remained up with detailed pictures of the boat, including all the safety equipment etc. They are not the first, and will not be the last company to do this.

Absolutely agree, and that's why I'm surprised that your YouTubeer used taking the boat off the website to draw the negative conclusion he did.

 

[michael_w]

Looks horribly unstable.

 

[ylop]

Absolutely agree, and that's why I'm surprised that your YouTubeer used taking the boat off the website to draw the negative conclusion he did.

So you agree with baggywrinkle that:

any response to a tragedy usually includes removing public access to potentially sensitive information. I personally would have been surprised if it remained up with detailed pictures of the boat, including all the safety equipment etc. They are not the first, and will not be the last company to do this.

but you disagree with the youtuber:
4:33 "pulling that to prevent people from being able to learn about the yacht and perhaps the life saving facilities on board"