Another Tourist Boat Catastrophe

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Looks horribly unstable.
Not anymore than many of the superyachts or cruise ships I see regularly. Google an image of Symphony of the Seas which I saw underway earlier in the year and looked most ungainly. That said, the yacht in question capsized so I guess it may have been unstable.
 

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Stability is not in the eye of the beholder, rather in the quite complex maths. While that might have been an issue here I suspect we will not find out the whole truth.
 

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Stability is not in the eye of the beholder, rather in the quite complex maths. While that might have been an issue here I suspect we will not find out the whole truth.
Don't forget to take into account the ability of the Forum Accident Investigation Board to pronounce without evidence what happened. Even in a circumstance where people tragically died.
 

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Very sad to hear, my heart goes out to those divers missing. A few years ago I dived the Red Sea in a similar vessel for a week, they are all wooden from what I have seen and comfortable but perhaps basic in some areas.
 

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Incredibly sad story, I've been out from Masa Alarm on a dive boat and the sea state was flipping alarming 3m+ waves all very close to shore but in deep water, very strange conditions indeed.
 

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Incredibly sad story, I've been out from Masa Alarm on a dive boat and the sea state was flipping alarming 3m+ waves all very close to shore but in deep water, very strange conditions indeed.
But if that is not unusual local conditions, surely only boats designed for them should be licensed for passenger operation.
A 3m wave wouldn't be commented on for a North Sea support vessel - nor perhaps a Calmac ferry or indeed most sailing yachts that size.
There is a lot more to the design calculations, but perhaps wooden boat superstructure are slightly heavier than GRP or alloy?
 

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Don't forget to take into account the ability of the Forum Accident Investigation Board to pronounce without evidence what happened. Even in a circumstance where people tragically died.
Especially in a circumstance where people died, because that’s when it’s important to find out what happens. I think you sometimes have far too much faith in investigations being impartial right round the world and in any jurisdiction that an accident happens. I think forum speculation which keeps building on a set of published facts is as likely to weed out likely causes sooner than an investigation in some parts of the world, and sometimes even in this part of the world.

It would be instructive to see a gold standard MAIB report against the forum speculation at the time of the accident, usually a year before the report comes out.
 

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I have far more faith in the investigative processes by people who deal in facts and have discovered what actually happened.
Most of us agree with that, but it doesn't preclude people passing comment, making observations, and expressing opinions on this and other social media forums, as long as their contributions are legal and respectful.
 

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Most of us agree with that, but it doesn't preclude people passing comment, making observations, and expressing opinions on this and other social media forums, as long as their contributions are legal and respectful.
Clearly. But I for one wouldn't consider an unfounded opinion to be in anyone's best interest. I suppose some may call that a 'guess'.

If you think here is the only place for largely ill-informed guesswork, try an aviation forum after an air crash......
 

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Clearly. But I for one wouldn't consider an unfounded opinion to be in anyone's best interest. I suppose some may call that a 'guess'.

If you think here is the only place for largely ill-informed guesswork, try an aviation forum after an air crash......
Christ, if we stopped unfounded opinions YBW would have to close down.
 

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Absolutely agree, and that's why I'm surprised that your YouTubeer used taking the boat off the website to draw the negative conclusion he did.
Sinking of 'Sea Story'
I am a lapsed diver but I have dived all over the world including in The Red Sea. I am also a Master Mariner.
It is some years since I have dived the Red Sea but there are now a large number of Live Aboards operating in the area. As a Class 1 Master Mariner I would be very reluctant to go to sea on any dive boat not registered with a reputable organisation. ie The UK, DNV, Lloyds etc. These classification societies rigorously survey ships worldwide. They check the stability and safety equipment on all passenger carrying vessels. As far as I can see, there are no visible liferafts or life saving equipment (LSA) on ANY of the vessels based in Egypt which carry passengers.
The Egyptian authorities appear to be more concerned about the potential damage to their tourist revenue than the safety of vessels operating from or registered in Egypt.
At the other end of the spectrum, the grounding of the container ship 'Ever Given' in the Suez Canal a few years ago was more an exercise in protecting the reputation and revenue of the Suez Canal Authorities than in ensuring the safety of the ship and her crew. The 'Sea Story' incident will be no different.
 

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As far as I can see, there are no visible liferafts or life saving equipment (LSA) on ANY of the vessels based in Egypt which carry passengers.
As far as you can see from where? The youtuber said there were liferafts enough for the number of people on the boat, one on each side, but that they should have had double that number i.e. 2 on each side.
 

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I wonder if it been built to any recognised code? Egypt has a pretty laissez-faire attitude to building and modifying boats. Anyone remember the MS al-Salam Boccaccio?
Agree with Porthandbuoy. No vessel should capsize that easily. I've no idea where 'Sea Story' was built (or modified), or where she was surveyed, but there should have been sufficient righting moments in a competently built and managed boat for it to recover from a 'large wave'. Egypt has a poor record of dive boats or similar coming to grief. Sadly it appears that the lessons of such tragedies are not being learned. It appears to be more about ensuring the tourists keep coming than about the safety of boats and those aboard.
 

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Agree with Porthandbuoy. No vessel should capsize that easily. I've no idea where 'Sea Story' was built (or modified), or where she was surveyed, but there should have been sufficient righting moments in a competently built and managed boat for it to recover from a 'large wave'. Egypt has a poor record of dive boats or similar coming to grief. Sadly it appears that the lessons of such tragedies are not being learned. It appears to be more about ensuring the tourists keep coming than about the safety of boats and those aboard.
There is great shortage of money in Egypt but an inexhaustible supply of tourists, and a fairly inexhaustible supply of poor Egyptians to crew the boats. The Egyptian authorities are not motivated

It is only recently that the UK authorities have clamped down on unstable fishing boat modifications, and one or two still turn turtle every year for one reason or another.
 
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