Another RNLI Boat Out of Use

[penberth3]

EDIT - I've still got the photo from The Lounge thread. You're right, Health and Safety would have a dickey fit.

Richard

I've just had a dickey fit looking at that photo. And I thought you were yourself highly qualified "Health and Safety"?

 

[Blue Sunray]

I've just had a dickey fit looking at that photo. And I thought you were yourself highly qualified "Health and Safety"?

Of course he is, he said so. so it must be true. He even has letters after his name. Which just goes to show yet again that possession of (real or imaginary) qualifications does not necessarily mean possession of competence or common sense.

 

[rotrax]

Of course he is, he said so. so it must be true. He even has letters after his name. Which just goes to show yet again that possession of (real or imaginary) qualifications does not necessarily mean possession of competence or common sense.

Well, as an almost fifty year pro mechanic and specialist in Vintage and veteran stuff, I can see nothing wrong with the method used th compress the spring on the end of that shaft.

It looks as if the gap below the vice jaws is allowing the projecting shaft to move forward, and importantly, not upwards. It is trapped by the smaller gap above. The long shaft is supported by blocks.

The trolley jack might get an air lock whilst on its side. If I were doing the job perhaps I would use a screw jack and perhaps would secure the jack end of the shaft so it could not go upwards-a rope possibly would work there.

Apart from that, a good effort. Well done.

Critics should remember two things:-

1. The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

2. If you were to drive an old banger across serious terrain without support infrastructure and repair facilities, you would want someone like RichardS or me with you, along with our toolkits.

Getting back to H&S-it is not sensible to scoff and take no notice of such legislation when in the workplace and there is responsibility for others. The ambulance chasing lawyers have seen to that, and much of the legislation has been good.

But at home in your own shed you can do what you wish..............................

And, like RichardS, when I have to get creative and flamboyant to get the job done, I do!

I am also very carefull.

At the end of the day, it was quite a small spring with a short travel. I dealt with motorcycle fork and rear shock springs on a regular basis. Sometimes the compressing tools were the wrong size or not robust enough and stuff like RichardS came up with had to be used to get the bike on the racetrack.

 

[Biggles Wader]

Its not the bloody spring compressor that's the problem. Look at the state of that mug on the window sill!

 

[rotrax]

Dont be silly!

That is clearly not a mug for drinking out of! The one on the bench looks far more suitable for drinking use.

I have similar on my windowsill-it holds my small paintbrushes.

 

[Daydream believer]

So what would have been wrong with a couple of bits of steel plate suitably slotted plus 2 lengths of studding and nuts to tighten gradually?

 

[rotrax]

So what would have been wrong with a couple of bits of steel plate suitably slotted plus 2 lengths of studding and nuts to tighten gradually?

If you start with the raw materials the time taken to fabricate is quite long.

Bottom line, the spring was compressed, the hose clip tightened to hold it so and the shaft was installed, hose clip removed.

Would not have made a plate tool in that time.

So, nothing wrong with your idea, but more than one way to kill a cat than choking it with cream....................

 

[Daydream believer]

If you start with the raw materials the time taken to fabricate is quite long.

Bottom line, the spring was compressed, the hose clip tightened to hold it so and the shaft was installed, hose clip removed.

Would not have made a plate tool in that time.

So, nothing wrong with your idea, but more than one way to kill a cat than choking it with cream....................

I can understand that. But having been around for a rew years the bits one would need would be in my odds box any way. The more one does these things the more one acumulates tools to do them & the quicker and easier each job becomes. You will find that after a while ������

 

[RichardS]

Dont be silly!

That is clearly not a mug for drinking out of! The one on the bench looks far more suitable for drinking use.

I have similar on my windowsill-it holds my small paintbrushes.

I'm out of hospital and back home now so many thanks for holding the fort in my absence Rotrax. I'll buy you a drink one day.

But that drink will not be out of the paintbrush mug, which is exactly what that one is. Well spotted. :encouragement:

Richard

 

[RichardS]

I can understand that. But having been around for a rew years the bits one would need would be in my odds box any way. The more one does these things the more one acumulates tools to do them & the quicker and easier each job becomes. You will find that after a while ������

You could, indeed, fabricate two steel bars with threaded rods but the bars would need to be pretty substantial as that spring is incredibly hard to compress.

The final assembly that you have to end up with is this:

it looks easier than it is because at first sight it looks as if you could assemble one end with a tightened jubilee clip and the compress the other end against a loosened clip and then tighten the clip when it's in the correct location. The problem is that those brown split collars are steeply tapered and the taper fits over a matching taper in the central shaft which starts with a vertical edge so you cannot push the pre-assembled, but loose, collar onto the shaft. The collar can only be put in place and the clip tightened once the spring is virtually coil bound. The spring then has to be released gradually to enable it to push the secured split ring onto the taper. The metal bar cannot be located between the end of the spring and the inside edge of the collar because you won't be able to get it out.

Only Land Rover could come up with something so unnecessarily challenging.

Richard

 

[rotrax]

I can understand that. But having been around for a rew years the bits one would need would be in my odds box any way. The more one does these things the more one acumulates tools to do them & the quicker and easier each job becomes. You will find that after a while ������

Lets get into a pissing competition-I bet my combined odds and sods boxes are bigger than yours.

I have recently looked at them with a view to downsize and shift them.

Not looking forward to it. At least a couple of hundredweight.....................

 

[penberth3]

You could, indeed, fabricate two steel bars with threaded rods but the bars would need to be pretty substantial as that spring is incredibly hard to compress.

The final assembly that you have to end up with is this:

it looks easier than it is because at first sight it looks as if you could assemble one end with a tightened jubilee clip and the compress the other end against a loosened clip and then tighten the clip when it's in the correct location...

Only Land Rover could come up with something so unnecessarily challenging.

Richard

but didn't Land Rover also come up with a simple tool to do the job, without jubilee clips?

 

[RichardS]

but didn't Land Rover also come up with a simple tool to do the job, without jubilee clips?

I believe that there was some kind of LR special tool but I don't believe that they have been available for many years. Presumably the companies that will rebuild the relay for a price have one of the tools but they're obviously not going to rent it out so basically everyone has to come up with their own way of rebuilding the damn thing. :ambivalence:

Richard

 

[Mister E]

I believe that there was some kind of LR special tool but I don't believe that they have been available for many years. Presumably the companies that will rebuild the relay for a price have one of the tools but they're obviously not going to rent it out so basically everyone has to come up with their own way of rebuilding the damn thing. :ambivalence:

Richard

I wonder what the Workshop Manual says about taking the thing apart in the first place?:encouragement:

 

[rotrax]

I wonder what the Workshop Manual says about taking the thing apart in the first place?:encouragement:

The most dangerous things I have ever encountered were truck split rims and the Triumph Motorcycle Spung Hub.

If the nuts were undone without special tools/precautions you could easily be killed.

Just before he was demobbed my Father was I/C three satellite airfields in Norfolk, near Thetford. He was putting them to bed, getting all the kit back into Q/M stores and making the weaponry safe.

One day a phone call was recieved-a truck had got a punture and the guy's were struggling to change the wheel.

Dad sent another vehicle with an experienced mechanic, and followed shortly after. He stepped out of the Humber, put his cap on only to have it removed by a nut flying through the air.

Someone had undone the wrong nuts on the outer wheel-the inner one was punctured-and the air pressure had spat the nuts off. The guy with the wheel brace was seriously injured by the flying metal bits.

The fact they were painted red had not registered!

 

[Impaler]

Could someone put this thread out of its misery please? Or move it to Landrover Owners Forum if that exists. I have a Defender so not prejudiced. Or bring it back to the RNLI, but no willy waving.

 

[RichardS]

Could someone put this thread out of its misery please? Or move it to Landrover Owners Forum if that exists. I have a Defender so not prejudiced. Or bring it back to the RNLI, but no willy waving.

Ah ... the joy of the internet.

Richard

 

[RichardS]

I wonder what the Workshop Manual says about taking the thing apart in the first place?:encouragement:

The manual says that one must use the special spring compression tool and wear eye protection .... which is not particularly helpful.

Richard

 

[penberth3]

Could someone put this thread out of its misery please? Or move it to Landrover Owners Forum if that exists. I have a Defender so not prejudiced. Or bring it back to the RNLI, but no willy waving.

The RNLI do operate a large fleet of Land Rovers.

 

[Daydream believer]

The RNLI do operate a large fleet of Land Rovers.

So presumably there is a risk assesment and method statement for that somewhere in their workshops.
have to justify the staff somehow ��