rustybarge
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Is that what we plebs call a weed hatch.....instead of lots of small holes in the hull you have one very big one!
another idiot with mad ideas, new boat build
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Is that what we plebs call a weed hatch.....instead of lots of small holes in the hull you have one very big one!
longjohnsilver
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Is that what we plebs call a weed hatch.....instead of lots of small holes in the hull you have one very big one!
No somewhat different. It's a box in the engine room about 3' high, top about 1' above water level, and about 18" square, with a large brass/bronze strainer flush with the hull, topped with a thick perspex lid secured with about 20 bolts. All inlet seacocks are contained in this area.
rustybarge
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Sounds like a clever idea...never seen one, have you got any photo's?
longjohnsilver
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I'll take some over the w/e.
Robg71
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Thanks very much Alf.
your mocking me too, my scooter wont fit in a fifty footer
Sea chest is a great idea,
fifi gear added to list.
been as anchoring is not my forte, last time i anchored I spent a bloomin uncomfortable night, as the swell, which was minuscule, was one way, and the wind the other.
hence boat rolled all night.
Is that what the second anchor is for.... as a kedge??? scuse my ignorance
Robg71
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Had a productive day today.
A chat with a colleague at work, who specialises in new build ships, and think we will be going for the original design....
Also, been to four local boat yards. The closest are very promising. One can take it on hard standing, the next one was a mile away, and couldn't, but they had the facilities I needed. And tradesmen... Cabinet and furniture makers.... the bit I am cacking myself over, as me and wood dont get on.
If they cant take it on the hard, the other will, and will let tradesman come and go... all good stuff. I had a look at what they do, and they specialise on narrow boats, but there quality of wood work was superb.
dry dock, and hoist, and sheds if needed....
They also have engineering facilities if needed, a bar, restaurant, and best of all, ten mins drive away from home.
They also wont charge me for other tradesman, some yards will.
things are looking good so far.
A chat with a colleague at work, who specialises in new build ships, and think we will be going for the original design....
Also, been to four local boat yards. The closest are very promising. One can take it on hard standing, the next one was a mile away, and couldn't, but they had the facilities I needed. And tradesmen... Cabinet and furniture makers.... the bit I am cacking myself over, as me and wood dont get on.
If they cant take it on the hard, the other will, and will let tradesman come and go... all good stuff. I had a look at what they do, and they specialise on narrow boats, but there quality of wood work was superb.
dry dock, and hoist, and sheds if needed....
They also have engineering facilities if needed, a bar, restaurant, and best of all, ten mins drive away from home.
They also wont charge me for other tradesman, some yards will.
things are looking good so far.
rustybarge
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From my personal experience either build everything yourself, right down to the cleats like I did; Or: If you start hiring in trades it will end up costing the same or more than the ship yard in Holland.
Plan A: buy steel stock and cut to size with torch and weld. Guess for 50' boat: £10k
Plan B: Get big cheque book.........it's better to get the Dutch to build it for you, and cheaper than hiring UK tradesmen.
Robg71
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plan C get dutch to do steel work, I do the rest except wood work...
electrical install, cables, plumbing lighting... some woodwork. its the cabinets i cant do...
electrical install, cables, plumbing lighting... some woodwork. its the cabinets i cant do...
rustybarge
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That makes sense....£1k per foot approx for the hull. Still a bargain.
Do everything yourself except the woodwork.......
You're still going to save a fortune.
Erik C
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Maybe I missed it somewhere, but how do you plan to get the boat from Holland to your build site?
Robg71
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on a truck... a big one....
possibly get to a state of technically ready, to get across the channel.... basic steering and rudimentary control.
My plan is to get the yard in holland to do all sub waterline stuff. Install engines on beds, fit shafts and steerage, thrusters and tunnels.
Weld all hull superstructure.
this way when you come to sell it (IF) Mickey mouse hasnt welded it... xyz shipyard has, welded to asme9 or lloyds/dnv/Germanischer delete as applicable.
the mickey mouse welding and fab of smaller stuff internally I can do. sea fastenings tankage, brackets etc etc.
electrics should be simple enough. the motors have there own looms etc, the rest is easily followable up with enough research.
plumbing etc same as.
additions like dive compressor, hydraulics if required, is bread and butter stuff...
the fit and finish of cabinetry, along with correct paperwork for the hull, could add thousands to the value, or subtract tens of thousand. that bit needs to be right, imo...
Robg71
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did i say I am really looking forward to this
Erik C
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With the money you save on a very expensive transport you might as well get it technically ready and have some fun bringing the boat across.
wakeup
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did i say I am really looking forward to this
So are we, this looks like a great project. Really looking forward to your up dates. Thanks for sharing with us this far.
Divemaster1
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Nope... In Southern Norway (South of Stadt, which is North of Bergen), you hardly have any tidal differences, so you find yourelf a nice sheltered island (I'll give you some guidance here when you plan your journey)... check the depth and head towards the shoreline which will make it easy to go ashore... Remote control drops the anchor from the stern as you move inwards.. stop a foot from shore and person on bow steps ashore and ties to nearest tree/rock etc., and you have access to secluded island and wonderful scenery.... In popular areas, you will see families & friends mooring like this for the week-end...
Robg71
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aha, thats great stuff, Alf, thanks a lot.
ok, sleipner, side power. any plusses, minus.
not looking at hydraulic, i think may be more complex than required, of this size of boat. any other brands to look at
dc control looks like a good system, but is it worth the extra money over a straight on or off.....
Im looking at the 100/185
ok, sleipner, side power. any plusses, minus.
not looking at hydraulic, i think may be more complex than required, of this size of boat. any other brands to look at
dc control looks like a good system, but is it worth the extra money over a straight on or off.....
Im looking at the 100/185
kashurst
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I've had vetus, sleipner and max power thrusters on various boats - couldn't tell the difference to be honest. I would look for a model that didn't need anodes if possible. I also wouldn't bother with a stern thruster if you have two engines. Never really use mine.
the dc control systems seem a bit pointless to me as electric thrusters are really only for tweaking rather than full control. A few quick bursts will produce the same effect as a long slow burst under electronic control.
however I have no experience of such things so wait to be shot down in my ignorance
the dc control systems seem a bit pointless to me as electric thrusters are really only for tweaking rather than full control. A few quick bursts will produce the same effect as a long slow burst under electronic control.
however I have no experience of such things so wait to be shot down in my ignorance
Robg71
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ignorance is bliss, hence why I ask... If I have not used it, I wont know what I am missing... But will feel several k better off for not fitting though.
stern thruster is an easier retrofit than the bow if need to later...
stern thruster is an easier retrofit than the bow if need to later...
MapisM
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Dunno how it looks like in LJS boat, but this gives a pretty good idea. All the chests I've seen were rather similar, anyway.
Excellent solution btw. I'd definitely want that, if I were speccing a new boat.
grumpy_o_g
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Stabilisers then or at least the ability to retrofit easily perhaps - is that possible? Would it make sense to build in a hydraulic system from the beginning for windlasses and thrusters and possibly stabilisers later or is that horrendeously expensive?