another idiot with mad ideas, new boat build

[Robg71]

I would not be surprised if it was. Im not sure I like the look of the axe bow. It has changed the whole feel and look of the boat.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

I am sure people will think I'm an idiot even contemplating doing this.

Considering what you do for a living I would call this an outbreak of sanity

 

[Robg71]

Considering what you do for a living I would call this an outbreak of sanity

Thanks very much, I knew I could count on someone for abuse and truth

Heres my rough list of equipment and vessel systems, and wants to put in side a steel tub.
lots of research to do here now...

Any equipment gurus please feel free to comment...


bonito

Engines
Cummins qsb 380bhp

electrical systems
gauges, electronics,
controls, electronic or manual.
tied in with thrusters/joysticks control?
air intakes/cooling/fans
exhaust system
props
shafts, sizes, matériel, power rating
shaft seals
through hull fittings
intakes.
water strainers
fuel strainers and system
water in fuel alarms
engine mounts, gearbox mounts
couplings for shafts
gearboxes are zf302
engine batteries
Gauges and instruments

Navigation equipment
Garmin Black box VHF
Garmin Radar
GarminMFD screens
Garmin GMI 10 screens
Fish finder sonar….
raymarine sonar, or fwd facing sonar etc…??? dragonfly system ??


Battery charging system,
alternators and regulators
domestic batteries
thruster / anchor batteries
inverters
battery monitoring system

240 volt ringmain
galvanic isloator
rcd
shore supply connections


Thrusters
hydraulic or dc
size, brand power
sleipner

fuel system
Fuel tanks,matériel, sizes
Filling loops
gauges/senders
filters, capacity, volume, flow, type
plumping.
cross overs

oil system…. drains/bilge/pump out/sump


dive compressor???
generator, size, brand,

Cable spec

plumbing, black water, grey water
toilets, vacuum, electric
shower units
sinks,
aft deck shower
calorifier
immersion heater
beer fridge
tv and blu ray… ps3???
aircon?? heating
lighting
cooking facilities, gas or electric
fridge,
freezer,???
washing machine/combined dryer…. ??
water maker??
Insulation/soundproofing
bilges

STORAGE
fishing gear
water toys,??
wet locker for dry / wet suits etc
scuba gear and cylinder rack
wave ski???
dinghy/outboard???
fender storage/chain locker
ground tackle, capstan
cleats
davits?? boat storage?? tender/rib ???
lifeboat
safety equipment

 

[Erik C]

No generator? I would avoid cooking on gas if at all possible. What sort of insulation do you plan on using, a spray on foam or something like Rockwool? Condensation is your biggest enemy on a steel boat.

 

[vas]

No generator? I would avoid cooking on gas if at all possible.

I agree on the generator!

however, I don't see the point of avoiding gas, as a matter of fact, I love gas! (er, well not in that sense, but as far as cooking with it is a breeze and oven cooks so much better than electric!)

cheers

V.


PS. Rob, massive list, hope the designer comes up with some suggestions on particular items else you'll be in total chaos!

 

[Robg71]

Insulation, I will be asking a good friend at Merwede ship yard what they recomend. I know they have used a mixture of spray foam and rockwool boards,

Generator is on the list.. It should be anyway... yes it is,
Why the gas issue... just out of curiosity..
personally i prefer the idea, as its clean, good for cooking, and does not make noise unlike a gen set

 

[taz]

Thanks very much, I knew I could count on someone for abuse and truth

Heres my rough list of equipment and vessel systems, and wants to put in side a steel tub.
lots of research to do here now...

Any equipment gurus please feel free to comment...


bonito

Engines
Cummins qsb 380bhp

electrical systems
gauges, electronics,
controls, electronic or manual.
tied in with thrusters/joysticks control?
air intakes/cooling/fans
exhaust system
props
shafts, sizes, matériel, power rating
shaft seals
through hull fittings
intakes.
water strainers
fuel strainers and system
water in fuel alarms
engine mounts, gearbox mounts
couplings for shafts
gearboxes are zf302
engine batteries
Gauges and instruments

Navigation equipment
Garmin Black box VHF
Garmin Radar
GarminMFD screens
Garmin GMI 10 screens
Fish finder sonar….
raymarine sonar, or fwd facing sonar etc…??? dragonfly system ??


Battery charging system,
alternators and regulators
domestic batteries
thruster / anchor batteries
inverters
battery monitoring system

240 volt ringmain
galvanic isloator
rcd
shore supply connections


Thrusters
hydraulic or dc
size, brand power
sleipner

fuel system
Fuel tanks,matériel, sizes
Filling loops
gauges/senders
filters, capacity, volume, flow, type
plumping.
cross overs

oil system…. drains/bilge/pump out/sump


dive compressor???
generator, size, brand,

Cable spec

plumbing, black water, grey water
toilets, vacuum, electric
shower units
sinks,
aft deck shower
calorifier
immersion heater
beer fridge
tv and blu ray… ps3???
aircon?? heating
lighting
cooking facilities, gas or electric
fridge,
freezer,???
washing machine/combined dryer…. ??
water maker??
Insulation/soundproofing
bilges

STORAGE
fishing gear
water toys,??
wet locker for dry / wet suits etc
scuba gear and cylinder rack
wave ski???
dinghy/outboard???
fender storage/chain locker
ground tackle, capstan
cleats
davits?? boat storage?? tender/rib ???
lifeboat
safety equipment

Scatter cushions

 

[Erik C]

Apart from the safety issue the problem with gas is that in different countries you have different connections so getting a refill might be a problem.

 

[Robg71]

Nothing a selection of adapters can't cure then.
Pain in the arse though, I see your point.

 

[rustybarge]

If you do just one thing, and I was told umteen times and choose to ignore it, use spray on foam on the roof ceiling.

How do I know......

Condensation is your biggest enemy on a steel boat.

I used polystyrene sheet pushed between the frames. It doesnt work. Ok on the sides where the condensation drips down vertically and doesn't drip on your head.

You've been told!!!

 

[Robg71]

more chance of spray on foam on the whole boat I think.

 

[vas]

Rob, can you specify you get it delivered epoxy coated (inside out that is?)

V.

 

[Robg71]

I believe anything is possible.
It will need touching up again, as where internal bits possibly get welded, or fixed to but that should not be an issue.
I am jotting down a list of notes to ask on saturday. We shall see.
Currently, I am not a fan of the new design, it looks not as sleek. I will post after saturday if possible, a drawing.
The boat yards in Holland have been doing steel built stuff since steel was invented, so they will have all to hand.

 

[davids0865]

As you are starting from scratch, it might be worth discussing a sea chest to minimise through hulls, I know I would.

 

[Erik C]

Ask them about purschuim, the best kind of foam isolation.

 

[martin]

Hi Rob,

Wow what a fantastic project.. and the end result looks like a fine boat, great lines..

Look forward to reading more..

 

[Robg71]

latest specs,
displacement below 20 tonnes, speed in excess of 25knots. from the horses mouth....
edit, obviously engine power dependent...

do we have any hull shape gurus in the house, who could have a look at the designs.

 

[Robg71]

This is the older drawing,, the latest has lost that sleek profile. with a more vertical bow.

 

[Divemaster1]

Rob,

Missing the Engine room fire extinguishers and air intake shuters...

Like the thought about a "sea chest" to reduce through hull fittings...

Also would be good to have a stern mounted anchor and winch if going across to Norway....

Double bed in aft cabin can of course house the underwater scooter and be deployed in a moon pool between the props ...

 

[longjohnsilver]

We have a sea chest on Eos, it's a great idea, I can if necessary get to all the seacocks and clear any debris from inside the boat by removing the perspex lid.