capnsensible
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I would expect that as a British Company, a report will be sent to the Marine Accident Investigation Branch who will conduct the inquiry.
Another death on the Clipper race
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dom
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For sure, though MAIB inquires are explicitly fact finding exercises for the purpose of future safety. Other judicial avenues are sometimes pursued in parallel, of either a civil or criminal nature.
Edit: I see Sarah has just been laid to rest at sea, very sad and RIP
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capnsensible
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That would be the Maritime Coastguard Agency Enforcement Unit.
dom
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Exactly, and for civil actions a variety of other channels. These are however relatively rare as the insurers (who inevitably play a significant role) manage to negotiate an agreement with the claimants in advance of a full blown court hearing.
BurnitBlue
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As far as I am concerned the cockpit of many race boats and wannabe race boats are no longer as safe as they used to be.
A lot of cockpits even on cruising boats are completely open at the stern with just a wire across the gap. I asked some Bavaria owners who had this open style of cockpit if they felt secure. Some said yes. They had a removable seat behind the helm that could be slotted into a channel with stainless locker type clips.
If this is the second occurance on this boat then maybe the geometry causes a wave to be focussed into the cockpit to sweep anything in it's way overboard. I don't know the boat, but it is just an idea.
A lot of cockpits even on cruising boats are completely open at the stern with just a wire across the gap. I asked some Bavaria owners who had this open style of cockpit if they felt secure. Some said yes. They had a removable seat behind the helm that could be slotted into a channel with stainless locker type clips.
If this is the second occurance on this boat then maybe the geometry causes a wave to be focussed into the cockpit to sweep anything in it's way overboard. I don't know the boat, but it is just an idea.
KellysEye
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>Trying to dig yourself out of your previous post you've just upgraded your shovel to a JCB. Have some respect and leave the judgements for another day once the facts have been obtained.
You obviously haven't read the other thread on this subject recently in which has a URL for an article quoting Robin Knox Johnson which will give you the facts of what happend which I've being saying all along - she wasn't clipped on and it took two waves to wash her overboard.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...safety-rules-Clipper-Race-Robin-Knox-Johnston
You obviously haven't read the other thread on this subject recently in which has a URL for an article quoting Robin Knox Johnson which will give you the facts of what happend which I've being saying all along - she wasn't clipped on and it took two waves to wash her overboard.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...safety-rules-Clipper-Race-Robin-Knox-Johnston
Giblets
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Now you are back peddling. I don't think there is any dispute that she was not clipped on. What people have been railing against is your insistence in post #19 is that the skipper is totally responsible and should be prosecuted and that he didn't enforce the safety rules. Whilst one must applaud you for insisting that all your crew are always clipped on whilst on your boat could you tell us what you would do if you found one of them not clipped on? Throw them off the boat? Make them walk the plank?
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RichardS
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We do not know whether this tragedy was triggered by green water sluicing through an open transom.
Bavaria focus on the cruising market these days hence their open/closable transom designs are relatively more snug than many other examples from different manufacturers.
KevinT1
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It was the 2nd death, the first was caused by the main sheet during a gybe. So a coincidence or other but nothing to do with an open transom.
mjcoon
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janeK
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1+ Absolutely
KellysEye
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>is that the skipper is totally responsible and should be prosecuted and that he didn't enforce the safety rules.
As I've said before the skipper has a duty of care to the crew whitch you don't seem to believe is written in Nautical law, it's here: http://thechartroom.co/2014/06/23/skippers-duty-of-care/
>> Whilst one must applaud you for insisting that all your crew are always clipped on whilst on your boat could you tell us what you would do if you found one of them not clipped on? Throw them off the boat? Make them walk the plank?
Very funny but it wouldn't happpen.
As I've said before the skipper has a duty of care to the crew whitch you don't seem to believe is written in Nautical law, it's here: http://thechartroom.co/2014/06/23/skippers-duty-of-care/
>> Whilst one must applaud you for insisting that all your crew are always clipped on whilst on your boat could you tell us what you would do if you found one of them not clipped on? Throw them off the boat? Make them walk the plank?
Very funny but it wouldn't happpen.
dom
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KellysEye, would you mind using the quotation system provided by Time Inc? I read two posts last night and found myself agreeing with you, only to find that in-between all the **"" <<>>> << << """<<< kind of thing, someone else had written the words!
Just press the "Reply with Quote" button on the bottom RHS. It will be easier for you too.
dunedin
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Or just stop repeat posting the same old things ....
DannyB
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This raises an interesting question, on my boat I set the rules, if somebody chooses to do something different they will be put ashore and never set foot on board again. However, on the Clipper race the crew have paid for their places, what sanction does the skipper have if someone decides to do their own thing? I've never heard of anyone being thrown off the race.
Giblets
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It would be interesting to read a copy of the Clipper Crew Conditions that they all sign before taking part. Have done a Google search but to no avail. Perhaps Comrade Red could oblige.
alant
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I had an interview some years back (won't say which RTW company) for a skipper position. I was given a theoretical scenario & asked what I would do.
The scenario was, " a crew member comes up on deck, obviously the worse for wear due to alcohol, what action would you take"? My reply was, " at the crew briefing, all would have been made aware, that this is a dryboat. Anyone contravening that rule, puts themselves & other crew members at risk. Initially I would send the crew member below & off the deck, then rummage & confiscate any remaining alcohol. Finally, at next port of call, throw the crew member off the boat". I didn't get the job. In the feedback, I was told that the crew were fee paying customers & my action was seen as too harsh! Having previously done some work on Chay's fleet & aware of his rigorous discipline, I thought my response was reasonable.