Annoying wind generator in marina…………………

[ribrage]

Now you are being silly. I often tie off frapping haliards if the keep me awake-and doing so stops them destroying themselves against the mast, or rubbing the anodising off. Its horses for courses.Natural noises we must live with. Wind gennies when the craft is hooked up to shore power is belt AND braces. If it gave me a poor nights sleep I would deal with it, without causing any damage to boat or genny.

Tieing off flapping halyards is one thing but that wasnt what was being discussed we were talking about going onto another persons vessel and tampering with electrical equipment (in the form of a wind generator) that may well be damaged by that interaction, you also need to consider your liabilities in doing so.

The fact that the craft is connected upto the shore power is irrelevant , i for one DO NOT leave a 240v battery charger running in my abscence I consider it an un necesary risk, so the wind generator is not belt and braces its doing a job.

Ive no wish to disrupt anyones weekend but I certainly would not react well to other people wandering over my property and tampering with equipment at their leisure.

If I climbed into your back garden to drop your washing line or cover your satelite dish because they were annoying me , would that be correct ?

no of course it wouldnt be correct, Id approach you first , then the correct authorities and then if I was daft enough id take the law into my own hands and deal with it my self, I COULD be held accountable for the damages whether legal or civil.

 

[DogWatch]

ribrage,

you would be extremely unlikely to find anything on my boat creating a nuisance,

Exactly, you're on the forum!

 

[A1Sailor]

agreed; I've said my bit, if people can't understand consideration I'm not going to change them, I'm out of here.

Out.

Roger! I think he'll be back...

 

[Stork_III]

A bit unnecessary don't you think? Why out of the people who made similar points did you chose only to attempt to belittle me?

Though I suppose I should be thankful you didn't threaten me as you did with ribrage.

I don't know what has put you in such a foul mood today, but I suggest you try to calm down a bit before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

I think if you read back it was Ribcage with threats not Seajet.

 

[rotrax]

Tieing off flapping halyards is one thing but that wasnt what was being discussed we were talking about going onto another persons vessel and tampering with electrical equipment (in the form of a wind generator) that may well be damaged by that interaction, you also need to consider your liabilities in doing so.

The fact that the craft is connected upto the shore power is irrelevant , i for one DO NOT leave a 240v battery charger running in my abscence I consider it an un necesary risk, so the wind generator is not belt and braces its doing a job.

Ive no wish to disrupt anyones weekend but I certainly would not react well to other people wandering over my property and tampering with equipment at their leisure.

If I climbed into your back garden to drop your washing line or cover your satelite dish because they were annoying me , would that be correct ?

no of course it wouldnt be correct, Id approach you first , then the correct authorities and then if I was daft enough id take the law into my own hands and deal with it my self, I COULD be held accountable for the damages whether legal or civil.

Read the last sentence of the post I made.

 

[ribrage]

Exactly, you're on the forum!

Im not out to disrespect the guy, I just dont agree with him

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Good grief what polarised views. I will charge my batteries if they are flat with my Air X and don't have shore power. If I was approached by a sailor about the noise, I would offer an opinion on the charging time I require. Depending on the circumstances I may switch it off or I may advise that I will leave it on.

I may also leave my yacht and go ashore with it on to charge the batteries. If I returned and find the Air X hobbled I would be annoyed and would make that known to the person who hobbled it if possible.

However, if I had enough charge to see me through, I would probably switch it off. I expect reasonable understanding and I will offer it in return, but I will not be bullied if it doesn't suit me.

The same goes for music. If I am in an anchorage and playing music and someone else arrives, then I would consider it reasonable to switch it off at a reasonable time. If they rowed over and said they were leaving in xx hours for a tide gate, I would likely shut the music down. I would not appreciate being told that someone sails for tranquility and wants me to stop playing my music.

I hope that I and others can engage in civilised conversation to establish an understanding. It is always worth trying to understand another persons view point and making your own position understood. Rarely can a compromise not be found.

I have no truck with folks who make unreasonable demands but I will respond favourably with a reasoned position.

 

[ribrage]

I think if you read back it was Ribcage with threats not Seajet.

I dont think you'll find i have made any threats ?

im tired of this now , i have an opinion on a subject and have voiced it, as it is something that concerns me as the owner of a rutland 913 that is currently switched on and running in my abscence , but safe in the knowledge that mine is (or was ) as quiet as a church mouse near the top of my mizzen.

in sea jets own words .... out

 

[ribrage]

Good grief what polarised views. I will charge my batteries if they are flat with my Air X and don't have shore power. If I was approached by a sailor about the noise, I would offer an opinion on the charging time I require. Depending on the circumstances I may switch it off or I may advise that I will leave it on.

I may also leave my yacht and go ashore with it on to charge the batteries. If I returned and find the Air X hobbled I would be annoyed and would make that known to the person who hobbled it if possible.

However, if I had enough charge to see me through, I would probably switch it off. I expect reasonable understanding and I will offer it in return, but I will not be bullied if it doesn't suit me.

The same goes for music. If I am in an anchorage and playing music and someone else arrives, then I would consider it reasonable to switch it off at a reasonable time. If they rowed over and said they were leaving in xx hours for a tide gate, I would likely shut the music down. I would not appreciate being told that someone sails for tranquility and wants me to stop playing my music.

I hope that I and others can engage in civilised conversation to establish an understanding. It is always worth trying to understand another persons view point and making your own position understood. Rarely can a compromise not be found.

I have no truck with folks who make unreasonable demands but I will respond favourably with a reasoned position.

A civilised and reasonable view

 

[snooks]

No you're right, I don't know you! ... I'm sure you didn't mean the bit about 'If you don't like it get out of the marina' any more than the other guy would really disable somebody's wind generator.

By the way ... I like your photography ... if I meet you in a marina anywhere I shall expect a nice pic ... and you shall have a gin & tonic!

Sadly marinas are noisy. In the marina where we berth the MOD plod come around every few hours with the loud burbling rumble of their engines in their patrol boat. I also get slapping halyards, drunk passing by etc etc. It's the nature of the beast. But you can't do anything about it, the same way when you fly you can't do anything about the screaming child in the row behind you.

Yes it would be great if wind gens and flying babies were silent, it would also be great if everyone sorted their halyards out, walked gently across my deck and only sailed in social hours, but unfortunately it's all part and parcel of sailing nowadays. That's not to say it's right but I've resigned myself to it, which is why we keep our boat in a marina and sail somewhere else

Rafted alongside someone I once got accused of having squeeky fenders! They didn't squeek inside our boat. But what can you say? Put some washing up liquid on them if they bother you that much?

I am very conscious of others when I sail...I have been mortified when, for example, I've found out the cockpit speakers were on when we were down below (not that you could hear anything 10 ft away, but it was the thougth that the stereo had been on and we were making noise)

The problem is that by doing something seemingly innocent like tying off the blades could damage the wind gen, but what constitutes an unreasonable amount of noise?

As for the G'n't, love to

 

[maxi77]

One observation of noisy wind generators, those boats where people were on board had the blades either tied or the system was obviously electricaly braked. The ones that were creating annoying noise were on boats that were unoccupied, ie the owners were avoiding the noise polution they were generating. I find that indefensible and highly antisocial.

Now many wind generators are not noisy or annoying, if you want to leave a generator running permanantly use one of the quiet models.

ps I have never 'tied off' a generator nor would I advocate it but I have been sorely tempted

 

[Chris_Robb]

I have no problem with gennys its the inconsiderate b***ers who remove their mainsail from the inmast reefing leaving the foil to "slam" and"bang" in the mast all winter.

I suggest that those boats have insufficiency tension on their foils. They should not bang on the side of the mast if properly tensioned.

 

[LadyInBed]

I will charge my batteries if they are flat with my Air X and don't have shore power. If I was approached by a sailor about the noise, I would . . .

. . . get out my mains generator to help speed up the process

 

[snooks]

. . . get out my mains generator to help speed up the process

And put the heating on. It's cold at this time of year

 

[ukmctc]

Securing a rutland wind charger knackers the bearings as they are designed to spin & through moisture out, it also invalidates the warranty.
Anyone throwing something into mine or tying it off can expect immediate & painful retribution

Rutlands don't make a noise unless F****d.

 

[ukmctc]

The majority of boaties don't hear the wind genny's, I live aboard and the most annoying sounds are unsecured lines or halyards, you kinda tune most noises out but I can understand the weekend warriors being upset, just pretend its the missus and tune it all out.

 

[BigJoe]

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I must admit, I didn’t think a wind generator was going to make this much disturbance ;-)

But……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

From what I have gathered, the only people who think it’s OK to disturb others, are the very same people who have these contraptions, and use them while connected to shore power in a marina.

I do not have a wind generator………………………. Yet.

But I do have a small 3kv genset, that I choose not to run in the marina.

Its nice to be important……………… but more important to be nice

 

[Danny Jo]

One observation of noisy wind generators, those boats where people were on board had the blades either tied or the system was obviously electricaly braked. The ones that were creating annoying noise were on boats that were unoccupied, ie the owners were avoiding the noise polution they were generating. I find that indefensible and highly antisocial.

Now many wind generators are not noisy or annoying, if you want to leave a generator running permanantly use one of the quiet models.

ps I have never 'tied off' a generator nor would I advocate it but I have been sorely tempted

Hear, hear!

Rutlands don't make a noise unless F****d.

Believe me, mine did.

Danny Jo has a Rutland 913, and it's much less noisy now than when it was first installed, thanks to the inimitable Nige, sometime of this forum under various names.

The problem was that the mounting pole came in two sections that did not lock together tightly, so the whole assembly was able to rattle and vibrate with a frequency that depended on wind speed. What's so bad about two pieces of stainless vibrating? Nothing, so long as you don't mount them on a sound box, and Danny Jo's construction is remarkably similar to that of a classical guitar. (GRP decks can have the same effect.) Nige cured the problem taking the two halves of the mounting pole to the welder at Penrhyn dock. (He had some difficulty persuading me to let him do this because it involved removing the Rutland and cutting the electrical flex.) The generator is now as solid as a rock - well almost - and I am especially grateful because my bunk is immediately underneath it.

Nige, if you read this, could you design a 12 volt timer to operate a relay so that the generator is shorted out between 2300 and 0700, please?

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From what I have gathered, the only people who think it’s OK to disturb others, are the very same people who have these contraptions, and use them while connected to shore power in a marina. . . .
Its nice to be important……………… but more important to be nice

I sometimes conclude that Scuttlebutt is a massive waste of time. BigJoe and others with similar attitudes are the reason I keep coming back.

 

[Simondjuk]

If a windgen was really offensively noisy, by which I mean actually keeping me, a good sleeper, awake, I'd tie it off temporarily and remove the lashing when I woke. I'm quite sure just a few hours of non-rotation would do no harm. I've not come across one that noisy to date though.

I also tie off other people's halyards if they're bothering me.

My boat lies completely silent in her berth, so it's entirely possible for others to do the same.

If you take a look around any marina, you'll notice that the boats making the most noise are the cruddiest, most unloved looking piles of junk. Look at the silent ones, and you'll find they're those presented in the smartest and most seaman like fashion. It's no coincidence.

 

[Liz_I]

Snooks,

there's your answer then; read the manual and cover the thing.

ribrage,

I have plenty of spine, and if you berth next to me making an inconsiderate noise you'll see it.

Dogwatch,

grow up; no-one will object to the sound of waves etc, but one should not have to tolerate inconsiderate behaviour by others who have cleared off leaving a noise nuisance.

Would it be Ok to leave a VHF or Radio 1 on an external speaker then clear off ?

In this case there is shore power available, and there are things like solar panels too; even if running heaters & dehumidifiers in winter there is no need to overcharge like this.

Incidentally I wonder if Snooks & co know the original designer of what became the Rutland wind charger? He passed away recently, but I very much doubt he'd want it to be a nuisance to others; when he retired from Test Flying at Dunsfold he went off blue water in a Nic 38...

+1.

Just a note about keeping the blades turning. Errmm bit of a stoopid comment imho. The wind doesn't blow all the time. Even in the UK there are totally windless days. Does that mean the warranty is invalid??? Pfaff.