Anger at boats anchoring overnight

xyachtdave said:
Decent number of boats you had out too. If you can get 10 plus boats out cruiser racing in a mixed fleet on the East Coast you’re doing well.

The crew of the little Hunter made me smile sailing straight past some much larger boats on the way out the creek!

You couldn’t have asked for a better day for sailing than yesterday. We joined in the MYC Montgomery cruise/race which was fun, our tacking battle with a Swan 38 and a Dehler 36 went all the way back to Chatham.

Anyway back to boats anchoring overnight....I didn’t notice any.

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No I didn't notice anyone anchored overnight either. A few boats had obviously been night fishing judging by the number of fishing rods we passed.
The Hunter got past me too so I put my cruising chute up that slowed me even more. When I finally decided that was a bad idea I regained 2nd place again, with the hunter returning about 30mins behind us. He may have got it on handicap.
 
syvictoria said:
FFS people, stop deluding yourselves!!!!! Having too much beer to drive is a CHOICE, it's not REASONABLE EXCUSE! If you want to break what is a very clear the law, then do so, but don't expect the marina's, etc. to support or help facilitate your decision. They have a responsibility to uphold the law in force at the time. I will most likely stay on my boat in a couple of weeks time because to me personally the benefit then will out way the potential risk so far as breaking the law is concerned. But that is MY choice and I am not going to delude myself that I am above the law by citing some of the frankly pathetic reasons given above to defend my actions!

And who the hell are you (sorry, I don't know you from Adam, but this is a public forum and so I'm entitled to my opinion too) to categorically state "You're breaking no law & you're not increasing transmission risk by doing so."?!!!! Untrue on both counts.

Come on people... get a grip and some perspective!
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This is a public forum and people with differing views are welcome, however I do not agree with your post. The "law" about staying at home overnight is far more recent and temporary than the "Do not drink and drive" law. We all understand that driving with excess alcohol can mean you loose your licence to drive or worse you may cause damage or injury or death to other road users. A publican who is licenced to serve alcohol does not regulate how much alcohol his customers consume or monitor if the drivers of cars in his car park are legally below the breath test limit to drive a car, so why should a marina question any berth holder about sleeping on a boat?

We do not live in a police state and the current "law" on staying at home at night is badly drwn up and almost unenforceable. The intention is to reduce the likely hood of transmission of Covid19, but compared to how some people live in cities with small homes in very close proximity to each other, this "law" seems sensible and reasonable considering how poorly some of these people are just ignoring all aspects of our laws.

Once you come out into the sticks, people are more respectful of social distancing and in my area there have been extremely few people I see who have caught Covid19 or know anyone who has, let alone anyone who has died. Many of us yachties feel we are in this group and are generally law abiding most of the time. The overnight law does not seem to be sensible when being on your boat and not being close to anyone else does seem like being in isolation.

We have seen politicians and protesters breaking many of our temporary laws and get off scott free. So, please come down from your high horse and realise that most boaters are sensible and reasonable people who when using their boats are always calculating risks - is the wind too strong, the tide pushing me out of the channel, am I going to be ahead of that vessel, etc. Many boaters are assessing the risk of getting Covid19 by staying overnight on their boat is minimal to the point of non existant.
 
Concerto said:
This is a public forum and people with differing views are welcome, however I do not agree with your post. The "law" about staying at home overnight is far more recent and temporary than the "Do not drink and drive" law. We all understand that driving with excess alcohol can mean you loose your licence to drive or worse you may cause damage or injury or death to other road users. A publican who is licenced to serve alcohol does not regulate how much alcohol his customers consume or monitor if the drivers of cars in his car park are legally below the breath test limit to drive a car, so why should a marina question any berth holder about sleeping on a boat?

We do not live in a police state and the current "law" on staying at home at night is badly drwn up and almost unenforceable. The intention is to reduce the likely hood of transmission of Covid19, but compared to how some people live in cities with small homes in very close proximity to each other, this "law" seems sensible and reasonable considering how poorly some of these people are just ignoring all aspects of our laws.

Once you come out into the sticks, people are more respectful of social distancing and in my area there have been extremely few people I see who have caught Covid19 or know anyone who has, let alone anyone who has died. Many of us yachties feel we are in this group and are generally law abiding most of the time. The overnight law does not seem to be sensible when being on your boat and not being close to anyone else does seem like being in isolation.

We have seen politicians and protesters breaking many of our temporary laws and get off scott free. So, please come down from your high horse and realise that most boaters are sensible and reasonable people who when using their boats are always calculating risks - is the wind too strong, the tide pushing me out of the channel, am I going to be ahead of that vessel, etc. Many boaters are assessing the risk of getting Covid19 by staying overnight on their boat is minimal to the point of non existant.
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Yours is a thoughtful and considered reply, and I don't disagree with any of it. Sorry, I hadn't intended to come across as being 'on my high horse', and hence my admitting that regretfully I anticipate that a personal 'need' will justify me to stay overnight on my boat before the rules change. My frustration this morning is with the often trivial and ridiculous excuses (I think in earnest) that have been cited here and in similar threads which make, to the outsider, boat owners appear anything but 'sensible and reasonable', but rather more like (IMHO) self entitled, petulant children.
 
just had a chat with falmouth harbour commisioners and port health who are adamant that there is no overnight anchoring allowed,you can daysail but must return to your berth or mooring at night,anchoring at night is permissable when waiting for the tide to rise so you can return to your mooring,this applies also to livaboards where the boat is the primary residence as well as all others.
 
atol said:
just had a chat with falmouth harbour commisioners and port health who are adamant that there is no overnight anchoring allowed,you can daysail but must return to your berth or mooring at night,anchoring at night is permissable when waiting for the tide to rise so you can return to your mooring,this applies also to livaboards where the boat is the primary residence as well as all others.
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So cane one stop[ over night in Falmouth on ones own mooring
 
atol said:
just had a chat with falmouth harbour commisioners and port health who are adamant that there is no overnight anchoring allowed,you can daysail but must return to your berth or mooring at night,anchoring at night is permissable when waiting for the tide to rise so you can return to your mooring,this applies also to livaboards where the boat is the primary residence as well as all others.
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That's quite a stretch with liveaboards.. Again the inconsistency of these guidelines when filtered through civil service to corporate to individual with their own agendas and prejudices turns this into a farce.
 
I am minded to consider the words of Lord Sumpton

What I say to them is I am not a scientist but it is the right and duty of every citizen to look and see what the scientists have said and to analyse it for themselves and to draw common sense conclusions. We are all perfectly capable of doing that and there's no particular reason why the scientific nature of the problem should mean we have to resign our liberty into the hands of scientists. We all have critical faculties and it's rather important, in a moment of national panic, that we should maintain them.
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FulmarJeddo said:
I was probably one of the raggy cruisers nipping in and out. It was our (Lower Halstow YC) annual Red Sands race. It was a little interesting returning this afternoon with the wind blowing more or less straight down Stangate Creek against us especially as the first two of us ended up in a tacking match from Garison Point to the finish line a the Southern end of Stangate Creek. View attachment 92480
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think there were one or two learners out there as well.......lots of flapping sails and very little in the way of progress. :)

Just waiiting for MYC to get their act together want to get my grandkids round there and have go in one of their optimists.
Absolutely nothing for littleuns in the world of the stinkpot.
 
The law does say don't spend the night away from your home. I personally am interpreting that to mean a) no hotels / guesthouses etc. b) don't go and live in your second home c) don't go and stay with friends, family etc. Remember - this is a personal view. I also think that taking one's boat on a cruise - from marina to marina *could* potentially spread the virus - so I won't do that either. Spending the night on the boat (my boat - that no one else uses) in the marina - or at anchor somewhere local doesn't (I think) add any risk over returning from the boat on the same day after a sail.
That's my personal view. personally. trying to do as the PM says and use common sense.
 
oldgit said:
think there were one or two learners out there as well.......lots of flapping sails and very little in the way of progress. :)

Just waiiting for MYC to get their act together want to get my grandkids round there and have go in one of their optimists.
Absolutely nothing for littleuns in the world of the stinkpot.
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syvictoria said:
Yours is a thoughtful and considered reply, and I don't disagree with any of it. Sorry, I hadn't intended to come across as being 'on my high horse', and hence my admitting that regretfully I anticipate that a personal 'need' will justify me to stay overnight on my boat before the rules change. My frustration this morning is with the often trivial and ridiculous excuses (I think in earnest) that have been cited here and in similar threads which make, to the outsider, boat owners appear anything but 'sensible and reasonable', but rather more like (IMHO) self entitled, petulant children.
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Hey Sy – no worries at all. I have good friends who disagree with me – and vice versa – and sometimes that’s just the way things go. And we’re all still friends, but when this is all done and dusted I challenge anyone to identify retrospectively someone who was fined for staying on their boat overnight in these current conditions. My point is that it is not against the law and therefore you do not need much of a reason to it. If someone thinks that a) it is against the law and b) that they have the right to move you on; challenge it. It is not law. It is guidance.
Whether or not, for example, Falmouth Harbour Commissioners have special powers to restrict boating in Carrick Roads, or closer to home HHA – I would not know – but if anyone asked me to move I would expect clarification of those powers, in writing and which I could take a copy of for potential action against them. Ethics is a different matter. I would not, at the moment for example, go to another marina, but my sitting at anchor has to be less of coronavirus risk to anyone in comparison with the other places I would normally be.
PS – for what it is worth (even better than the drinking excuse) tell them you’re homeless - and all bets are off.
 
Chalk said:
Hey Sy – no worries at all. I have good friends who disagree with me – and vice versa – and sometimes that’s just the way things go. And we’re all still friends, but when this is all done and dusted I challenge anyone to identify retrospectively someone who was fined for staying on their boat overnight in these current conditions. My point is that it is not against the law and therefore you do not need much of a reason to it. If someone thinks that a) it is against the law and b) that they have the right to move you on; challenge it. It is not law. It is guidance.
Whether or not, for example, Falmouth Harbour Commissioners have special powers to restrict boating in Carrick Roads, or closer to home HHA – I would not know – but if anyone asked me to move I would expect clarification of those powers, in writing and which I could take a copy of for potential action against them. Ethics is a different matter. I would not, at the moment for example, go to another marina, but my sitting at anchor has to be less of coronavirus risk to anyone in comparison with the other places I would normally be.
PS – for what it is worth (even better than the drinking excuse) tell them you’re homeless - and all bets are off.
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Unfortunately it used to be guidance but it became law by a statutary act on June 1. Imho a bad law that was put onto the books by Mr Hancock without any discussion or debate in parliament. And not much publicised so many are unaware of it, and many more choose to ignore it, unsurprisingly.
 
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