Mark-1
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True, but it's an appreciating commodity investment.
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True, but it's an appreciating commodity investment.
Sumara of Weymouth
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Yes, that's true. When the engineering shop phoned to give me the price he said "You are not going to want to go ahead with this, bronze seems to be rocketing in price every week" to which I replied "So why won't I want to go ahead!". It's not quite my pension but definately a nice little nest egg.
mjcoon
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Is it painted to look like concrete to disguise its intrinsic worth?
Porthandbuoy
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Is there a name for that saddle shaped shackle, attached to the angel, that slides up and down the chain? Can't help feeling it would make launching and retrieving the angel a lot easier than and ordinary oversize shackle.
Poignard
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Poignard
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Sumara of Weymouth
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I see Poignard has come up with a name. Sadly my one was from Davey and Co but they stopped supplying them about 10 years ago. Maybe they can resurrect them, although nylon snubbers seem to have cornered the market!
Poignard
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Talking of Davey & Co., your lovely boat ought to have a 'Grabit' boathook.
Davey Grabit Boathook Aluminium Bronze
It just so happens that I have one to sell. It appears to be unused.
Wandering Star
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Trouble is if I shipped your valuable boathook or Sumatra’s bronze Angel and then got myself into difficulties somehow, I’d be under pressure and find it very hard to make a decision on which to save first, my crew or the pricey ground tackle.
Porthandbuoy
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Well, Googling 'saddle rider' threw up a lot of equestrian stuff!
Googling 'anchor chain kellet saddle' helped me find this interesting article. Assessing the anchor kellet.
No-one seems to sell a kellet saddle so it looks like I'll have to make one.
Googling 'anchor chain kellet saddle' helped me find this interesting article. Assessing the anchor kellet.
No-one seems to sell a kellet saddle so it looks like I'll have to make one.
benjenbav
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Recently been re-reading Hornblower. When Hotspur crept off the Brest blockade into Tor Bay, out of drinkable water and in the middle of a violent storm that had seen a two-decker drag aground in Torquay Roads, they backed the best bower anchor with the launch’s carronade.
So, perhaps all you really need is a spare naval gun and a dozen or so seamen to manoeuvre it into place when you need to be really sure of your anchor.
So, perhaps all you really need is a spare naval gun and a dozen or so seamen to manoeuvre it into place when you need to be really sure of your anchor.
Poignard
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I can see I'm going to have to go upmarket to find a buyer for this.
It's casting pearls before swine here
Porthandbuoy
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Recently been re-reading Hornblower. When Hotspur crept off the Brest blockade into Tor Bay, out of drinkable water and in the middle of a violent storm that had seen a two-decker drag aground in Torquay Roads, they backed the best bower anchor with the launch’s carronade.
So, perhaps all you really need is a spare naval gun and a dozen or so seamen to manoeuvre it into place when you need to be really sure of your anchor.
Yeah, but Hornblower had an all rope rode.
Porthandbuoy
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Poignard, if I were you I'd mount it on a bulkhead for everyone to admire.
Roberto
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If you do not plan to pass it as heritage for the next few centuries, a couple of quid solution: add a piece of webbing around it and a shackle to attach the weight and it should last quite a number of anchorages before replacement
Boathook
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I wonder what the equivalent diameter rope would be today to have the same strength as those rodes that were about 9 to 12 inch diameter.
Mark-1
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Fascinating question. They must have known the typical breaking strain. Wonder if it's recorded anywhere.
Mark-1
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Who knows if it's true but Chatgpt says:
Yes, during the Victorian era, naval personnel had practical methods to estimate the breaking strain of ropes based on their dimensions. A commonly used rule of thumb was to take half the circumference of the rope, square that value, and the result would approximate the breaking strain in tons. For example, a 6-inch circumference rope would have an estimated breaking strain of (6/2)² = 9 tons. This method provided a straightforward way to assess rope strength relative to its size.
Yes, during the Victorian era, naval personnel had practical methods to estimate the breaking strain of ropes based on their dimensions. A commonly used rule of thumb was to take half the circumference of the rope, square that value, and the result would approximate the breaking strain in tons. For example, a 6-inch circumference rope would have an estimated breaking strain of (6/2)² = 9 tons. This method provided a straightforward way to assess rope strength relative to its size.
Poignard
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Even had they known it, would they have had on board any means of measuring what strain was being applied in any given situation?
The only tools they had were their eyes, ears and experience.
Mark-1
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I meant in tbe "factory". So, for instance, they'd know that 3 inch rope was good for a ton or whatever. Even if there was large variability I'm convinced they must have had a pretty good idea, or a standard.