Whitelighter
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At about 17 knots the Detroits would have been about the same
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At about 17 knots the Detroits would have been about the same
petem
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Slight correction following my partner's refueling yesterday. Outbound we used closer to 210 litres and inbound we used 240 litres with a minor detour via Moraira.
petem
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That's probably what I'll do.
I'm generally more apprehensive about a long trip before hand than when I'm actually on the water. But cruising in company takes this apprehension away.
If it's coastal stuff then I'm pretty relaxed. And remember we have two engines so fuel issues aside, we can normally limp back to base. If you're of a nervous disposition then bear in mid that in Spain there's always a bit of a language challenge and if you do need to call the emergency services they will hand you a big bill when you get back.
I still get a little bit stressed by the prospect of mooring in a stiff breeze however we try and avoid this by timing our arrivals and departures. And to their credit, the marineros are really good and will stand on the bows of my neighbouring boats and will fend off as required (we need to sqeeze our way to make space for our boat so physical (fendered) contact is unavoidable).
Hooligan
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On our crossing from Mahon to North tip of Sardinia my s58 used circa 43 to 45 L per hour at 10-11 knots if I recall correctly. So very nice to not be able to see the dial move as one does at 20 knots!!
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Just for comparison we've just returned to Antibes after a trip out at a similar 10-11 knots and my Ferretti 630 consumes around 52 lph in total at that speed. At about 20kts she guzzles around 230lph and at 30kts 400lph
Hooligan
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Wait until you have the joys of losing an engine and then mooring on one engine
. Happy days. Happened to me in Ibiza. I radioed in to San Antonio port where I had a berth booked and explained and they directed me to a berth at the end of the pontoon - perfect - and said all clear to approach. Port engine gone and a stiff breeze across starboard. As I entered the port lo and behold there is a catamaran on my berth that frankly I probably would have crushed if I had come alongside her. Panic stations and luckily a bail out berth on the inside of the outer wall with starboard engine in full reverse and full bow thruster engaged. That was fun!!
petem
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Wait until you have the joys of losing an engine and then mooring on one engine
Fortunately with outdrives, parking with one engine isn't actually that much harder with one engine than two. Anyhow, if it happened to me I'd probably dump it on the fuel pontoon and hide in the bar.
Hurricane
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Just for comparison we've just returned to Antibes after a trip out at a similar 10-11 knots and my Ferretti 630 consumes around 52 lph in total at that speed. At about 20kts she guzzles around 230lph and at 30kts 400lph
I didn't think you were into "Pootling" Mike
We've been doing it for years - about 25 to 30 litres per hour - per engine - 10 knots
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I'm slowing down in my old age MI didn't think you were into "Pootling" Mike
Or maybe it was the time I paid €1.85/litre for diesel in Italy that it finally hit me
MapisM
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I'm not sure it's an age thing M, neither ref.speed nor fuel cost.
After 17 years of pure D boat, which is practically half a boating life spent at 8kts or so, I'm now appreciating fast(ish) cruising again.
Not later than yesterday, we had a lovely day out in Cala Vinagra, courtesy of a gentle S breeze which flattened the N coast of the island.
6.5Nm, all made at 25+ kts, bar the first few minutes to warm the engines up.
We burned 100 liters or so, rather than 30 which would have sipped the old lady.
Then again, as much as I liked cruising with her, it's undeniable that for the same total time spent out there, we could stay in the place where we wanted to go for almost one hour and a half more.
Now, whether that is worth 70 liters more or not, it's down to personal judgement, obviously.
But at risk of being crucified from hard core navigators, saving fuel is mostly a matter of not making long cruises, first and foremost.
Pleasure boats are fantastic platforms for enjoying the sea, but for travelling, they suck. All of them.
Now, where did I leave my coat...?
After 17 years of pure D boat, which is practically half a boating life spent at 8kts or so, I'm now appreciating fast(ish) cruising again.
Not later than yesterday, we had a lovely day out in Cala Vinagra, courtesy of a gentle S breeze which flattened the N coast of the island.
6.5Nm, all made at 25+ kts, bar the first few minutes to warm the engines up.
We burned 100 liters or so, rather than 30 which would have sipped the old lady.
Then again, as much as I liked cruising with her, it's undeniable that for the same total time spent out there, we could stay in the place where we wanted to go for almost one hour and a half more.
Now, whether that is worth 70 liters more or not, it's down to personal judgement, obviously.
But at risk of being crucified from hard core navigators, saving fuel is mostly a matter of not making long cruises, first and foremost.
Pleasure boats are fantastic platforms for enjoying the sea, but for travelling, they suck. All of them.
Now, where did I leave my coat...?
Bouba
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Well, there are other costs when traveling. Taxis hotels restaurants etc which can be avoided when you bring your own home with you. But I’ve never made a convincing argument that my wife accepts when I explain all the money we’ve saved because we have a boatPleasure boats are fantastic platforms for enjoying the sea, but for travelling, they suck. All of them.
Now, where did I leave my coat...?
petem
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I'm not sure it's an age thing M, neither ref.speed nor fuel cost.
After 17 years of pure D boat, which is practically half a boating life spent at 8kts or so, I'm now appreciating fast(ish) cruising again.
Not later than yesterday, we had a lovely day out in Cala Vinagra, courtesy of a gentle S breeze which flattened the N coast of the island.
6.5Nm, all made at 25+ kts, bar the first few minutes to warm the engines up.
We burned 100 liters or so, rather than 30 which would have sipped the old lady.
Then again, as much as I liked cruising with her, it's undeniable that for the same total time spent out there, we could stay in the place where we wanted to go for almost one hour and a half more.
Now, whether that is worth 70 liters more or not, it's down to personal judgement, obviously.
But at risk of being crucified from hard core navigators, saving fuel is mostly a matter of not making long cruises, first and foremost.
Pleasure boats are fantastic platforms for enjoying the sea, but for travelling, they suck. All of them.
Now, where did I leave my coat...?
Blimey P, you'll be buying an Itama next!
MapisM
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Naah.
For living aboard 6 months or more, open boats are below my minimum survival requirements.
But I must admit that I would have considered a DP 58 or a Pershing 54, for instance.
If only they were built with a saloon door, which in my books is another must, for living aboard.
After all, as we get older, climbing the f/b stairs is going to be harder...
petem
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Naah.
For living aboard 6 months or more, open boats are below my minimum survival requirements.
But I must admit that I would have considered a DP 58 or a Pershing 54, for instance.
If only they were built with a saloon door, which in my books is another must, for living aboard.
After all, as we get older, climbing the f/b stairs is going to be harder...
DP 58 is a beautiful boat indeed. Problem is wit a lot of patio door sportscruisers is that it robs all the outdoor cockpit space. I've been told that my cockpit is larger than that of many of the larger FL's with that arrangement.
Incidentally, what do you think of the DP48? And how come DP never made any smaller boats (<40ft)?
MapisM
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Yep, I suppose that's the reason why the earliest patio door HT boats were bigger, like the 72', in case of DP.
Otoh, being able to run a/c on the saloon can be a big plus at times - like right now, btw!
Besides, when the boat is your home, the convenience of closing her and all its content just by sliding a door whenever you leave her ranks pretty high in my personal list of desirable features.
Ref. the 48/50 (latest versions of the same boat), I've only seen them docked, but I've never been onboard, and neither cruised on one.
What I can tell you, straight from the horse's mouth, is that the builder considers her as one of his best creations, to the point that it would be his personal choice, if and when he will have more time for boating.
A boat capable of a solid 30kts CRUISING speed as I'm told, topping 36+.
Talking of size, they actually started (in the 50s) with much smaller boats, obviously wooden built, and as small as 5m or so (o/b powered).
But over the years, the demand for bigger stuff grew and the yard simply followed it.
In fact, their smaller GRP boat I can think of is the 43 f/b.
When the financial meltdown stroke at the end of the naughties, their flagship was the 80'.
And they had a mould ready for a 100'+ boat, which would have been stunning, if the 80' is anything to go by.
Otoh, being able to run a/c on the saloon can be a big plus at times - like right now, btw!
Besides, when the boat is your home, the convenience of closing her and all its content just by sliding a door whenever you leave her ranks pretty high in my personal list of desirable features.
Ref. the 48/50 (latest versions of the same boat), I've only seen them docked, but I've never been onboard, and neither cruised on one.
What I can tell you, straight from the horse's mouth, is that the builder considers her as one of his best creations, to the point that it would be his personal choice, if and when he will have more time for boating.
A boat capable of a solid 30kts CRUISING speed as I'm told, topping 36+.
Talking of size, they actually started (in the 50s) with much smaller boats, obviously wooden built, and as small as 5m or so (o/b powered).
But over the years, the demand for bigger stuff grew and the yard simply followed it.
In fact, their smaller GRP boat I can think of is the 43 f/b.
When the financial meltdown stroke at the end of the naughties, their flagship was the 80'.
And they had a mould ready for a 100'+ boat, which would have been stunning, if the 80' is anything to go by.
petem
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Excuse the shameless plug (hopefully the mods will turn a blind eye).
Due to personal circumstances, one of my partners would like to sell his third share in Andiamo. As a reminder, Andiamo is a 2002 Fairline Targa 34 with KAD44 EDC engines (c. 750 hours). She is Part 1 registered, has lots of service history and has complete documentation (VAT invoice, all Bills of Sale, Builders Certificate, previous survey, etc).
She is based in Marina Greenwich (Altea / Costa Blanca) which is a 50 minute drive from Alicante. By sea we're a three hour cruise from Ibiza with lots of places nearby to visit.
This share would suit anyone who wants to enjoy a few weeks / weekends on board without the expense and hassle of running a boat outright.
Ideally, we are looking for a like minded person who has past experience of owning a similar boat. If anyone is interested, please give me a call on 07934 015494. Note that there is plenty of availability to use the boat until the end of season for anyone who is able to move quickly.
Due to personal circumstances, one of my partners would like to sell his third share in Andiamo. As a reminder, Andiamo is a 2002 Fairline Targa 34 with KAD44 EDC engines (c. 750 hours). She is Part 1 registered, has lots of service history and has complete documentation (VAT invoice, all Bills of Sale, Builders Certificate, previous survey, etc).
She is based in Marina Greenwich (Altea / Costa Blanca) which is a 50 minute drive from Alicante. By sea we're a three hour cruise from Ibiza with lots of places nearby to visit.
This share would suit anyone who wants to enjoy a few weeks / weekends on board without the expense and hassle of running a boat outright.
Ideally, we are looking for a like minded person who has past experience of owning a similar boat. If anyone is interested, please give me a call on 07934 015494. Note that there is plenty of availability to use the boat until the end of season for anyone who is able to move quickly.
jrudge
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I think what Pete meant to say was If anyone knows the best place to sell a share in his boat details xxxx. The partner is thinking of asking £x and if anyone has a view please let me know!
petem
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Well put J!
PowerYachtBlog
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Talking of size, they actually started (in the 50s) with much smaller boats, obviously wooden built, and as small as 5m or so (o/b powered).
But over the years, the demand for bigger stuff grew and the yard simply followed it.
In fact, their smaller GRP boat I can think of is the 43 f/b.
When the financial meltdown stroke at the end of the naughties, their flagship was the 80'.
And they had a mould ready for a 100'+ boat, which would have been stunning, if the 80' is anything to go by.
They did make a DP 37 Altair in the late eighties. I think very few where made, and I think I saw one in the flesh around 89 or 90 in Malta.
Nice boat but very hard to find.
https://www.nautipedia.it/index.php/DP_37_ALTAIR
petem
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Just returned from a great week with friends on Anidamo (we slept on the boat as usual, they rented an apartment in the marina). Had a great time messing about up and down the coast and managed to get some decent meals in too.
@Porto, you will be relived to see that I've finally sorted out the fender sockage....
@LongJohnSilver - as you know the restaurant next to the boat is Sergio Classico (in the background above). We finally got round to having dinner there and it was very nice. Superb service and decent food. Best of all, you can see Andiamo on their menu!
The marina moved us recently and we're now even closer. Bill for 4 of us was €180 (2 course, Lobster Bisque, Steaks, Beer, Wine etc).
@Bart - we also had lunch at Puerto Blanco, absolutely loved it.
Unfortunately, the swiming pool is purely ornamental. Very nice Menu Del Dia...
Sadly, the port remains closed to navigation with no immediate prospect of it reopening....
Sorry, a pretty poor trip report, hey ho!
@Porto, you will be relived to see that I've finally sorted out the fender sockage....
@LongJohnSilver - as you know the restaurant next to the boat is Sergio Classico (in the background above). We finally got round to having dinner there and it was very nice. Superb service and decent food. Best of all, you can see Andiamo on their menu!
The marina moved us recently and we're now even closer. Bill for 4 of us was €180 (2 course, Lobster Bisque, Steaks, Beer, Wine etc).
@Bart - we also had lunch at Puerto Blanco, absolutely loved it.
Unfortunately, the swiming pool is purely ornamental. Very nice Menu Del Dia...
Sadly, the port remains closed to navigation with no immediate prospect of it reopening....
Sorry, a pretty poor trip report, hey ho!
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