And you wonder why we get upset with raggies !

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

I have no sympathy...... You should have been at the anchor muster at Inchmarnock Bay which was held at Kip Marina or at Portavadie buying me a drink.:encouragement:

Tom.

That was the plan but Sat was a wash oot so sat till Sunday. Be at Portavadie again soon so get you at the bar !

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

And I would have replied, " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to race in "

As long as you are complying with collision regs, I dont see why one boat has more right to a bit of sea than any other.

True but there isnt an issue for me with altering course a little to avoid a race. Its actually a nice sight to see 120 boats racing.

 

[Philiz]

Well said RS.

+1

 

[Searush]

And I would have replied, " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to race in "

As long as you are complying with collision regs, I dont see why one boat has more right to a bit of sea than any other.

While no-one has "rights" to the water, he has a specific course to sail, it is only polite that anyone cruising should give them space. I always do & I have never raced SR, altho I have raced my Laser & crewed on serious racers. Perhaps that's why I understand both sides - maybe that's what's need to help us all understand the other guy's point of view.

Thinking, "they did that on purpose", just winds you up, shouting at each other just hardens both side's attitude. A chat over a beer is a far better way of learning & teaching.

 

[Searush]

True but there isnt an issue for me with altering course a little to avoid a race. Its actually a nice sight to see 120 boats racing.

Exactly. If you can catch them at a turning point, especially from upwind to down wind or vice versa it can be brilliant fun to heave to & watch the tangles, panics & screaming from the tail-enders.

 

[landlockedpirate]

While no-one has "rights" to the water, he has a specific course to sail, it is only polite that anyone cruising should give them space. I always do & I have never raced SR, altho I have raced my Laser & crewed on serious racers. Perhaps that's why I understand both sides - maybe that's what's need to help us all understand the other guy's point of view.

Thinking, "they did that on purpose", just winds you up, shouting at each other just hardens both side's attitude. A chat over a beer is a far better way of learning & teaching.

I have done lots on the water as well, spent my childhood racing Toppers and GP14's and crewing when racing a 30 footer out of River wyre yacht club, more recently I borrow my Brothers 45ft sticky boat out of Gib. I do understand both sides and I am tolerant, I do everything I can to avoid boats racing. But sometimes you cant help but get in the middle of it (The Thames and Broads are good examples of places I have been cought)

This isnt a Raggie V Mobo rant, I just get really wound up because some boats that are racing believe they have absolute right to a piece of water soley because they are racing.

 

[Beamishken]

personally I wouldnt drop anchor where there were old mooring as you never know if they are totaly gone or just sunk
Your braver than me if you were opposite the pub personally id have gone further over to where there were no previous moorings
I also cant believe the guy dropped anchor next to your bouy wether he new it was yours or not as its obviously marking some form of obstruction kinda proves he was less than competent

I once had a boat pick up my anchor line off Sunderland while watching the air show he had been dragging and resetting amongst boats for ages & the anchor clearly wasnt us to the job
so as he tried to recover it , it spun around my line forceing me to start recovering whilst he bobed about dangerously close to me I think he expected me to untangle him but once I got enough recovered to reach his line I cut it and told him politely where to go
he never bothered anyone else for the rest of the day!! Hopefully he bought a better one next time

 

[superheat6k]

Some Sundays in the Solent it is hard not to find several groups of yachts racing here or there. Expecting all other users to make major diversions is simply (IMHO) stupid, so I will judge where I have to cross the fleet, and will try to get closer behind the boat that has just crossed me, minimising wash to the one I am crossing, and I won't ever enter a tight pack, or those approaching their mark.

As an ex-raggie racer my view is that any wash the approaching boats do receive is an equal risk, just as a wind shift in their favour or against them is, but I will try to make maximum room for the boat I cross in front of,

Besides the perhaps some of the reason those down the field get annoyed is because they are not at the front and its not my fault they are not doing very well in their race.

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

personally I wouldnt drop anchor where there were old mooring as you never know if they are totaly gone or just sunk
Your braver than me if you were opposite the pub personally id have gone further over to where there were no previous moorings
I also cant believe the guy dropped anchor next to your bouy wether he new it was yours or not as its obviously marking some form of obstruction kinda proves he was less than competent

I once had a boat pick up my anchor line off Sunderland while watching the air show he had been dragging and resetting amongst boats for ages & the anchor clearly wasnt us to the job
so as he tried to recover it , it spun around my line forceing me to start recovering whilst he bobed about dangerously close to me I think he expected me to untangle him but once I got enough recovered to reach his line I cut it and told him politely where to go
he never bothered anyone else for the rest of the day!! Hopefully he bought a better one next time

We avoided where the moorings used to be for that exact reason. We were slightly further north and into the bay. Like I said , I was a little speechless until it got to the point I had to say something. Unbelievable really.

 

[Beamishken]

We avoided where the moorings used to be for that exact reason. We were slightly further north and into the bay. Like I said , I was a little speechless until it got to the point I had to say something. Unbelievable really.

that makes more sense we've stayed in Kilchattan bay many times and it's a longer dinghy ride from the north side but obviously safer
maybe the guy thought you'd like company being all alone !!!
a real shame the hotel closed we enjoyed the meals and sitting in the beer garden it was for sale ridiculously cheaply lets hope some enterprising sole reopens it soon

 

[asteven221]

I recently heard from a local that the hotel is sold. The new owners are making it into a house, although the pub may still be open.

I agree with KEN_NUNN as it was a really ice place to sit on a summers day. Strange thing is that given it's proximity to the big marinas, more people didn't go there. Indeed I have had conversations with many people hat sail on the Clyde regularly and say they have never been! I guess that's part of the reason it went belly up. That and the fact that the last people that "ran it" were very odd and seemed to hate customers.

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

I recently heard from a local that the hotel is sold. The new owners are making it into a house, although the pub may still be open.

I agree with KEN_NUNN as it was a really ice place to sit on a summers day. Strange thing is that given it's proximity to the big marinas, more people didn't go there. Indeed I have had conversations with many people hat sail on the Clyde regularly and say they have never been! I guess that's part of the reason it went belly up. That and the fact that the last people that "ran it" were very odd and seemed to hate customers.

Damn ! Looks like the secret is out and there could be more people anchoring there in the future !

 

[JumbleDuck]

That and the fact that the last people that "ran it" were very odd and seemed to hate customers.

For some odd reason much of the Scottish tourism and hospitality industry seems to be run by people like that. Why do they go into a business they obviously hate so much?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

For some odd reason much of the Scottish tourism and hospitality industry seems to be run by people like that. Why do they go into a business they obviously hate so much?

Just to present the alternative view, I've just returned from a few days motorbiking around Scotland with some mates and the welcome we received everywhere was excellent although we did notice that many hotels, restaurants and bars seem to be staffed by foreigners. Bizarrely many of those foreigners seemed to be German for some reason

 

[fireball]

<blurb>
What happened next beggars belief. Now Kilchattan bay is a vast sandy bay so the skipper of this yacht decides he will drop his anchor almost on top of ours ! Then he fecks about a bit and god knows what he was trying but he ended up over our anchor bouy. Now , I am normally a patient man and I was actually pretty speechless as I could not believe what was happening. We would have had to motor into the back of him to release our anchor ! Then when the yachts dinghy got snagged up on our anchor bouy , I could remain silent no more and yelled at the skipper .</blurb>

Hmm ... you also seem to be lacking in a bit of seamanship if you can't work out how to lift your anchor without motoring into the back of a vessel that happens to be floating some meters above it.

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

Hmm ... you also seem to be lacking in a bit of seamanship if you can't work out how to lift your anchor without motoring into the back of a vessel that happens to be floating some meters above it.

Oh so I am lacking seamanship ???? Go on then , educate me ?

 

[fireball]

Oh so I am lacking seamanship ???? Go on then , educate me ?

Various methods - but the one I used was to motor forwards gently, reducing the chain, once close to the vessel that's over my anchor, assuming the scope is now <2:1, make off the chain and reverse out. Stop, then recover the anchor normally. Of course, if there's someone onboard the other vessel and there is some current then you could always ask them to swing their rudder over too ...

No need to bust a gasket over it really...

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

Various methods - but the one I used was to motor forwards gently, reducing the chain, once close to the vessel that's over my anchor, assuming the scope is now <2:1, make off the chain and reverse out. Stop, then recover the anchor normally. Of course, if there's someone onboard the other vessel and there is some current then you could always ask them to swing their rudder over too ...

No need to bust a gasket over it really...

So what do you do if the other vessels dinghy is caught up on your anchor bouy ? Just reverse and take their dinghy with you ??

 

[fireball]

So what do you do if the other vessels dinghy is caught up on your anchor bouy ? Just reverse and take their dinghy with you ??

Only ever bothered with one once - then some silly stinkpot came along and decided to try and use it as a mooring buoy ....

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

Only ever bothered with one once - then some silly raggie came along and decided to try and use it as a mooring buoy ....