And you wonder why we get upset with raggies !

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After Saturdays downpour in Ardrossan we woke on Sunday morning to blue skies so we decided to head over to Kilchattan Bay on Bute and drop the anchor for lunch ( and also to get some anchoring practice as havent done much with the new boat). We arrived in Kilchattan bay and there was not another boat in the bay so we picked a suitable spot and dropped the anchor ( and anchor bouy). There we sat for a while and we noticed a small blue yacht heading over from Millport. He sailed in and nosed into the wind to take the sails down. Then he motored right up beside us and we exchanged pleasantaries. Then the skipper commented that there used to be mooring bouys there ? ( Which there was but they were lifted when the pub closed).
What happened next beggars belief. Now Kilchattan bay is a vast sandy bay so the skipper of this yacht decides he will drop his anchor almost on top of ours ! Then he fecks about a bit and god knows what he was trying but he ended up over our anchor bouy. Now , I am normally a patient man and I was actually pretty speechless as I could not believe what was happening. We would have had to motor into the back of him to release our anchor ! Then when the yachts dinghy got snagged up on our anchor bouy , I could remain silent no more and yelled at the skipper .He seemed surpised that he was caught up and they messed about pulling up the their anchor before moving away.

I was remembering a story I was told last week when the Scottish Series racing was on and someone (not racing) sailed into the middle of a race. The skipper of the racing yacht stood at the bow shouting " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to sail in "

I was sorley tempted to should " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing bay to anchor in " but I am too polite !


Really wish we have videod it as it was unbelievable where they tried to anchor. And people wonder why we get upset at some raggies ??
 
I can think of no reason to defend your intruder I would have been even more concerned had it happened when there was no one on your boat
I did think it was going to end up with him picking up your marker

But why put raggie in the title

I am disapointed that the moorings and hotel are no longer there
 
scottie said:
I can think of no reason to defend your intruder I would have been even more concerned had it happened when there was no one on your boat
I did think it was going to end up with him picking up your marker

But why put raggie in the title

I am disapointed that the moorings and hotel are no longer there
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Raggie in the title as it was a raggie ???? We also thought that was he was going to do then we saw the anchor getting flung over.


Yes , shame the pub has closed and there are no mooring bouys but good sandy anchorage and ( normally) plenty of room !
 
Have I missed something in your description of this unfortunate incident? Was it because he was a raggie that this occurred or because he lacked good seamanship?

Just wondering as a former raggie and moboer with plenty of anecdotes about inconsiderate and incompetent anchoring regardless of the means of primary propulsion of the offender's vessel.

It sounds like the issue was resolved so hopefully you will get over it.
 
SP2 said:
Have I missed something in your description of this unfortunate incident? Was it because he was a raggie that this occurred or because he lacked good seamanship?

Just wondering as a former raggie and moboer with plenty of anecdotes about inconsiderate and incompetent anchoring regardless of the means of primary propulsion of the offender's vessel.

It sounds like the issue was resolved so hopefully you will get over it.
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Like it , are you a lawyer by any chance ? No , it was not due to the means of primary propulsion it was due to the "all the gear and no idea" crew !
 
How odd, I have had MoBo's park on my anchor in the past & I always thought that it must be MoBos that are the idiots . . . :cool:


Well, actually, there are idiots in all walks of life aren't there?

If it was a small boat I suspect he may not have realised how much chain you had put down - altho the anchor buoy would be a giveaway if he realised what it was. As a small raggie he would not be able to carry large amounts of chain in the bows as it upsets the trim, he may not be aware that a large Mobo can carry leagues of chain & not feel the weight.

I think you may have missed an opportunity to drop aboard him socially, drink his booze, & politely re-educate him on anchoring etiquette. :encouragement:
 
Searush said:
How odd, I have had MoBo's park on my anchor in the past & I always thought that it must be MoBos that are the idiots . . . :cool:


Well, actually, there are idiots in all walks of life aren't there?

If it was a small boat I suspect he may not have realised how much chain you had put down - altho the anchor buoy would be a giveaway if he realised what it was. As a small raggie he would not be able to carry large amounts of chain in the bows as it upsets the trim, he may not be aware that a large Mobo can carry leagues of chain & not feel the weight.

I think you may have missed an opportunity to drop aboard him socially, drink his booze, & politely re-educate him on anchoring etiquette. :encouragement:
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Well said RS.
 
SEARANGER ANCASTER said:
Dont think he knew what an anchor buoy was , "All the gear and no idea" as I say. Dont doubt that some Mobos are as bad as anyone
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Exactly, and it is worth politely educating people, much better than simply getting annoyed & fuming - which spoils YOUR day. Once you get chatting & they realise they can pick your brains, you end up with another friend rather than an enemy. Plus their behaviour improves, it's a win-win result.
 
Searush said:
Exactly, and it is worth politely educating people, much better than simply getting annoyed & fuming - which spoils YOUR day. Once you get chatting & they realise they can pick your brains, you end up with another friend rather than an enemy. Plus their behaviour improves, it's a win-win result.
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I hear what you say and understand your thoughts.

Tried that last year in the Crinan canal when a skipper took offence at me when I told him he had tied and knotted his rope and the sluce gates were open and we were going down. "Plenty of bloody time" was the answer then a few seconds later his stern started to rise and he panicked to find a knife to cut the rope !! Next lock , same thing but I said nothing , if they need to learn the hard way , so be it !

I see a lot of yachts with lots of equipment and a full crew with all the expensive sailing suits etc ( as this one was) which look as though they know what they are doing and they get into all sorts of predicaments.

We are not perfect and have made some blunders , dont get me wrong , and we have many good raggie friends but this one took the biscuit.
 
scottie said:
But why put raggie in the title
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Because it is invariably raggies that do it, particularly charterers who don't seem to have any concept of where your anchor might be, how mobos and raggies swing differently and most importantly, the concept of invading somebody else's space
 
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Because it is invariably raggies that do it, particularly charterers who don't seem to have any concept of where your anchor might be, how mobos and raggies swing differently and most importantly, the concept of invading somebody else's space
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Do you have any empirical evidence to prove that ? I suspect not in which case your point is bollux. Much more reasonable to say that "because a lot of other boat owners do it" In the case of this thread, the fact that the other boat was a yacht is totally irrelevent.
 
last time we were anchored in Alum Bay a very similar thing happened. Long story short, a boat arrived, motored straight for us to the point we thought we might know them and they must want to speak to us, but instead they anchored right on top of our anchor chain and preceded to drop back so close that I thought they might hit us... it was totally baffling as up to that point we were the only boat in Alum bay! We had been there a while so decided at this point it was time to leave, so I called over and let them know we would be going and that as they had most probably anchored over our chain there was a possibility of us pulling their anchor up with ours. They thanked me for letting them know and one chap went on the foredeck and started pulling up their anchor before we had had a chance to wind ours up & they motored away... but nothing to do with type of boat so will not add what it was..
 
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SEARANGER ANCASTER said:
I was remembering a story I was told last week when the Scottish Series racing was on and someone (not racing) sailed into the middle of a race. The skipper of the racing yacht stood at the bow shouting " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to sail in "
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And I would have replied, " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to race in "

As long as you are complying with collision regs, I dont see why one boat has more right to a bit of sea than any other.
 
A couple of weeks ago myself and a friend headed down to worbarrow bay and when we arrived we had the whole bay to ourselves, we decided to anchor behind the rocks on the west side actually called mupe bay. My friends son followed on his large 3 seater jetski and as we had the whole area to ourselves we were having a great time on the ski he was wake boarding then took our kids out for a blast etc etc etc you get the picture

After about an hour 2 yachts decided to come and anchor right in close by the shore in between us and the beach bearing in mind we were only 50 yds from shore we carried on enjoying ourselves only to be shouted at after another half hr by one of the yachts telling us to P1ss off some where else with the bl00dy jetski

Very funny was the reply from my friends wife with a lot of 4 letter words in there explaining we were there 1st and they did not need to anchor so close to us when they had the whole of the bay to go in

After another 10 minutes or so they decided to up anchor and move to the other end of the bay, well why did they not just do that in the 1st place, sometimes they really do begger belief and leave me speechless
 
landlockedpirate said:
And I would have replied, " F off you idiot , you have the full f'ing ocean to race in "

As long as you are complying with collision regs, I dont see why one boat has more right to a bit of sea than any other.
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If you see a yacht race then it's common courtesy to give them their space to race. Why not, you only have to alter course or is that too much hardship. To quote 'complying with colregs' is just bollox and when you run into a big mother fecker metal ship and sink..what are you going to say from your hospital bed if you get there "I was in the right and complying with col regs your honour".. Bit of common sense needed here.
 
A few years back I was at anchor using my anchor buoy, having a relaxing time, bottle of wine etc. when in comes a small yacht potters up to my anchor buoy slips his rope through the eye on top ties it off and backs up! It was at this point I realised what was going on! He pulled my anchor out and I started drifting!
Try guessing what my friendly response was?
needless to say I don't use anchor buoys any more! :)
 
crazy4557 said:
If you see a yacht race then it's common courtesy to give them their space to race. Why not, you only have to alter course or is that too much hardship. To quote 'complying with colregs' is just bollox and when you run into a big mother fecker metal ship and sink..what are you going to say from your hospital bed if you get there "I was in the right and complying with col regs your honour".. Bit of common sense needed here.
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Well if you run into a big metal ship and sink, even if you are under sail,then I doubt you were complying with the regs.

In a power boat I do everything that I can to avoid them, go behind them, stop, reverse,just about anything.I was actually thinking of the times I have been sailing.

I get really wound up that some people racing seem to feel that they have more right to a piece of water rather than anyone else. They dont.
 
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