Anchors, again

[Neeves]

Most anchors are made in China and. about to suffer a 104% tariff when shipped to the US, directly or indirectly - which includes Epsilon, Delta, Rocna (all versions) Mantus. Suddenly and unexpectably other anchors Manson's Supreme, Anchor Right's Excel and SARCA, Spade and Viking's Viking and Odin will need to fill the gap (and most anchor makers are really not geared for the potential surge in demand). Many LFRs are made in China.

CMP hung their hat on Chinese production, their Titan chain, shackles not forgetting Rocna anchors.



If you are in the market for an anchor - your choice might evaporate quickly.

Jonathan

 

[vyv_cox]

Fortress might make America great again. Danforth? Any other US made?

 

[MapisM]

your choice might evaporate quickly.

Just as well, maybe folks will stop replacing their archaic but still perfectly working anchors just for sake of consumerism.

 

[KevinV]

Just as well, maybe folks will stop replacing their archaic but still perfectly working anchors just for sake of consumerism.

If they do need one, which do you recommend?

 

[MapisM]

I've been boating for the best part of 40 years, and never, ever came across someone who bought an anchor because they didn't have any.

 

[Poignard]

Now is your chance to buy the genuine 35lb CQR anchor curently languishing on my patio.

 

[Irish Rover]

Ultra Anchors starting to look like great value
Türkiye'yi tekrar harika yapmak

 

[Minerva]

Ach well, sucks for the yanks. Think the rest of us will get on just fine.

 

[Poignard]

Ach well, sucks for the yanks. Think the rest of us will get on just fine.

Eventually, when things have quieted down, I think we will.

 

[Neeves]

Fortress might make America great again. Danforth? Any other US made?

I don't see genuine Danforth, sold by Tie Down Engineering, and I don't know where they are made.

Jonathan

 

[ctva]

Ultra Anchors starting to look like great value
Türkiye'yi tekrar harika yapmak

I don’t think Ultras will ever be good value!

 

[Neeves]

I've been boating for the best part of 40 years, and never, ever came across someone who bought an anchor because they didn't have any.

They start life as the commissioning anchor, in Australia - supplied mostly by Lewmar and commonly Delta. The owner then removes the Delta, stores in a cockpit locker, and replaces the Delta with an anchor common in his marina or stocked by his chandler. In Australia common replacement would be Rocna. I suspect as CMP are a North America group then Rocna will be popular there as well. Mantus, the company, have built their success on primarily Chinese production, the anchor(s) (they have 2 models) and chain hooks were of Chinese origin.

Fortress might make America great again. Danforth? Any other US made?

I think there was an anchor called the 'Super Max' which I thought was made in the US (but it never gained traction)

Jonathan

 

[thinwater]

Or the third option, valid for most of us:

Don't buy anything until the dust settles. I can wait four years on most things, and it might not be that long. The wind will change. Obviously there is still food and energy, but that is mostly local, and I'm sure farmers will adjust their plantings. Apparently that is a really hot topic in ag circles right now.

 

[Minerva]

Or the third option, valid for most of us:

Don't buy anything until the dust settles. I can wait four years on most things, and it might not be that long. The wind will change. Obviously there is still food and energy, but that is mostly local, and I'm sure farmers will adjust their plantings. Apparently that is a really hot topic in ag circles right now.

No need for that. I know I’m certainly not buying anything American just now, but we’re lucky in that there is plenty of better options out there for most things.

We can allow our US cousins to fight like rats in a sack meanwhile the rest of the world just gets on with their lives.

 

[Neeves]

We can allow our US cousins to fight like rats in a sack meanwhile the rest of the world just gets on with their lives.

If only it were that simple.

Jonathan

 

[thinwater]

No need for that. I know I’m certainly not buying anything American just now, but we’re lucky in that there is plenty of better options out there for most things.

We can allow our US cousins to fight like rats in a sack meanwhile the rest of the world just gets on with their lives.

I'm in the US. I really don't want to get into the politics--it would not improve my mood. Relevant to this thread, I've always been a staunch free market guy. One world.

My plan is to keep my head down. I get to vote in the mid-terms in ~ 19 months. Until then, all I can do is try to be nice.

 

[Neeves]

I'm in the US. I really don't want to get into the politics--it would not improve my mood. Relevant to this thread, I've always been a staunch free market guy. One world.

My plan is to keep my head down. I get to vote in the mid-terms in ~ 19 months. Until then, all I can do is try to be nice.

You are always nice

The thread was not meant to be about politics, The Lounge has been dedicated for such debate.

The thread was meant to be about the impact of tariffs on our leisure pursuits, specifically sailing. I specifically chose the anchor industry and market as the products made in China are well defined and the alternatives are equally well defined. Whether we like it or not China has become an important production site for many items we use, like anchors. If the market for these products is impacted by 'events' it would lack sense to ignore the implications. Epsilon has already disappeared, for reasons unknown, Rocna and Vulcan are unlikely to have have large stocks sitting collecting dust as they await sale. Imagine a boat show with no anchors on bow rollers (and an absence of electronics?)

I can see markets outside the US swamped with product that can be no longer sold into America and opportunity for product made in other locations - suddenly enjoying demand in the US - but difficulties might exist to ramping up production and rapidly building a marketing structure. Fortress must be rubbing their hands in glee, CMP will be having crisis meetings and this, hopefully (I'm from north of the Border) might be Knox' big break.


There is a need for unemployment numbers to stay low in China

Jonathan

 

[ylop]

I can see markets outside the US swamped with product that can be no longer sold into America and opportunity for product made in other locations - suddenly enjoying demand in the US - but difficulties might exist to ramping up production and rapidly building a marketing structure.

I understand what you are saying - and if I was a US anchor maker I might be happy except: all my raw material just got 25% more expensive, my export markets just got less receptive to us product, my local customers are all feeling anxious and probably about to notice inflationary pressure, my staff are potentially going to push for higher wages…

We (UK, EU, Aus) might get “flooded” with stuff they can’t afford to import to the US - but most stuff is built to order and few factories will be supplying one customer, one product line or even one sector. It has probably never been a better time for a U.K./Eu/Aus manufacturer to look to offshore production to china UNLESS you want to sell that product to the USA.

 

[C08]

KNOX made in UK seems ok.

 

[Roberto]

An opportunity for plenty of second hand tested anchors for sale in the US
For Sale: Anchors For Sale - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
Mind you, collection only so one should also be ready to test the present US immigration officers mood.