PhillM
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Following the ferry incident, I wondered if I would be more at risk of losing my old CQR (copy I think) than a new generation anchor. Discuss 
Anchor thread - which is most likely to fall off your boat?
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I suspect that you're more at risk of losing your marbles 
prv
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The wibbly bit of a very worn CQR (or more likely, sloppily-made CQR copy) can apparently fall off in rare cases. Otherwise I think they're all, old and new, much of a muchness in falling-off-ability.
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scrambledegg
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I suspect that you're more at risk of losing your marbles
No, I think most people's toe rails would keep marbles quite nicely on board.
Kukri
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When in the Solent in a Very Grand Marina I saw several stainless steel sculptures in the shape of anchors which looked as if they might very well ‘fall off’ into a passing RIB en route to a boat jumble.
PilotWolf
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Can you still buy bags of marbles? I remember finding them in my Gran's garden, presumably ones Dad lost.
Still love the shapes that were inside them.
W.
Kukri
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Yes. If you anchor at Iken Cliff on the Alde above Aldeburgh and take the dinghy up to Snape Maltings for a concert you will find bags of marbles for sale in the Gifte Shoppe.
duncan99210
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I bought a Rocna a good few years back to replace the CQR which had been the root cause of loosing one too many nights sleep. The CQR was secured to the foredeck as a “spare” for the rest of the season, remaining there when we went into the marina for the winter. Inevitably, I lost interest in making sure it was still lashed in place. During a particularly windy night, it vanished. Given that it was a CQR and that no one in their right minds was venturing above deck that night, it’s loss has been recorded as “blown overboard”.
prv
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GHA
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PhillM
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If you're lucky. Then you could get one that actually works
Steady on, according to Force4, they have legendary performance:
https://www.force4.co.uk/cqr-anchor-galvanised-steel.html
Should I not believe what I read on the internet?
Neeves
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They do have legendary performance
But it does help to ensure your anchor is secure if you attach it to a chain with a moused (or Loctite) shackle. Apparently its a common method of securement (though it might not always be mentioned on the internet - it would be assumed you know)
Observation suggests that many dispense with mousing wire (and possibly don't know about Loctite) and consider blind faith, especially including swivels, and a rusty cotter pin in the shackle will be more than sufficient to keep their anchor and chain in close proximity. Blind faith, constant repetition of internet (un)truths and guessing have no place on critical elements of a yacht.
Jonathan.
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oldmanofthehills
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Youre confusing legendary with mythical.
They probably do work in the right ground but the old guys reccommended 45lb minimum which is about 20kg. Lesser weights seem to penetrate poorly. My 7.5kg version (about 18lb) is almost useless but chained up on foredeck as spare or oversize kedge, and I really would not worry too much if it fell off or even got stolen - unlike my manson supreme spare on the other boat
Neeves
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I'm happy with legendary - compared to a fishermans. I genuinely believe their advantgages were not mythical and they were a real improvement until the introduction of the Bruce (in 1970 - ish). On the assumption that Danforth, being American, never caught the imagination of the, then, Empire.
But I'm, far, too young to remember - and stand to be corrected.
Jonathan.
But I'm, far, too young to remember - and stand to be corrected.
Jonathan.
mjcoon
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Neeves
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Following the ferry incident, I wondered if I would be more at risk of losing my old CQR (copy I think) than a new generation anchor. Discuss
I note on inspection of ground tackle that many owners rely on the clutch of their windlass to secure their anchor and rode. There is no sign of a chain lock, pin though an appropriate hole in the anchor shank, no lashing. The windlass and gypsy are deck mounted - there is no visible sign of anchor and rode securement - other than the clutch. Given this lack of attention it is equally possible the bitter end is also not secure.
Clutches slip - which would have, predictable, consequencies.
I do recall a member here on leaving the UK for the Med lost his rode and Spade anchor on passing The Needles - but don't recall who (maybe fortunately) nor when.
It does happen - I confess our clutch slipped and we laid our rode across the seabed where we had intended to anchor and the stainless shackle securing the bitter end - failed.
It does happen (we retrieved the next day).
It was the Manson CQR clone - but I really don't think I can apportion any blame to the 'CQR'.
its all about learning from one's mistakes.
Jonathan
scruff
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I've spent well into 3 figures of nights on the hook with a CQR all over the Hebrides. Not dragged once despite some interesting conditions.
I'm sure new gen anchors may have higher ultimate holding, but the 34lb cqr has proved to be perfectly adequate so far. Just a bit less fashionable.
oldmanofthehills
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Its that bit about minimum weight for CQR. Maybe 45lb is not minimum but 34lb is ok. All of us smaller boat sailors would find 34lb disproportionate and I can assure you that the lighter ones don't work in practice in most grounds - they might be ok in medium hard mud but they plough soft mud or sand and drag giving long furrows and they fail to penetrate harder ground. I am an aged engineer and not remotely interested in fashion in clothes anchors boats or anything else - I just care about effectiveness, usability and cost
GHA
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Not just about ultimate holding, try going cruising on a variety of different bottoms trying out both you'll soon join everyone else saying they're rubbish compared with new gens
If yours works where you are then why would you want to change of course.
scruff
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Not just about ultimate holding, try going cruising on a variety of different bottoms trying out both you'll soon join everyone else saying they're rubbish compared with new gens
If yours works where you are then why would you want to change of course.
Fair enough, that may well be the case but can't really comment other than what we have works adequately in Scottish sand an mud.
Perhaps I'll buy a new gen one at some point...
