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Daydream believer
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Nope
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You missed first it when quoting the rules & saying there were 2 options - moored or under way
Now it apperas there are more than 2
Well well !!!!
Post 2
You missed first it when quoting the rules & saying there were 2 options - moored or under way
Now it apperas there are more than 2
Well well !!!!
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l'escargot
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You need to re read the post. I don't say there are two options, I actually said "...If you weren't showing an anchor ball, you would be considered to be under weigh and expected to comply with the ColRegs in regard to stand on/give way etc. which clearly you couldn't" which is correct.
A vessel not showing a signal (and obviously not tied to the quay or high and dry) to the contrary should be regarded as under weigh and treated as such under ColRegs. But of course you know that (I hope) and are just indulging in a bit of silliness...
Storyline
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Does anyone on here think it is a bit pretentious to show one sometimes ?
Have to confess I do in a quiet anchorage with just a few boats and with chain clearly coming over the bow roller and into the water.
Have to confess I do in a quiet anchorage with just a few boats and with chain clearly coming over the bow roller and into the water.
RichardS
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We came into a bay a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 boats already at anchor. One of them, German flagged, had an anchor ball up. That is the first time in six years in Croatia that I recall seeing an anchor ball on a sailing boat.
Not to be outdone, we tied on our anchor ball for the first time (although I only bought it a few weeks ago so not much option before now!)
A few days later we anchored in a different bay and I flew the ball again but no-one else followed my example until a blue ensign came in an hour or so later. I knew that he would fly the ball, and he did. He also lowered his ensign at dusk, which I have never done.
Richard
Daydream believer
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& i pointed out that if you were not at anchor you need not necessarily be under way
You could be aground
You inferred ( well stated actually) that if not moored you would be considered to be under way. I just pointed out that you could be aground hence the alternative to moored is not necessarily under way
JumbleDuck
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Where, precisely, in IRPCS does it say that a vessel's rights and/or obligations are determined by the day marks or lights she displays?
Storyline
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That is a good reason to hoist the foldable one that came with Storyline - see if we can catch out any blue ensignser that has not got one
l'escargot
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Lots of places. A motor cone places on you the obligations of a motor boat and not a sailing boat, an anchor ball places an obligation on everyone else to avoid colliding with you...
l'escargot
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Again, you need to read the post - best in the context of the discussion and not in isolation too. I didn't state that at all, again I actually said "...If you weren't showing an anchor ball, you would be considered to be under weigh and expected to comply with the ColRegs in regard to stand on/give way etc. which clearly you couldn't" which is correct.
You seem to have some comprehension problems here. I don't think I can explain it any more easily for you, you just seem to want to create alternative scenarios which I really can't help you with.
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JumbleDuck
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
Incidentally, it's "under way", not "weigh".
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l'escargot
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Not really relevant is it when I answered your question and actually gave an example which you seem unable to contradict or was it a reference to yourself? The only similarity perhaps is that lots of people seem to have personal interpretations of ColRegs and are ready and willing to go on what they see in wikis and internet forums rather than the actual regulations.
I can't really see where you are coming from here, are you saying that you have no rights or obligations under ColRegs specific to the lights or shapes you are displaying?
Not in the context I used it, a discussion relating to anchoring, it is perfectly correct - you weigh an anchor not way it. I am sure I can find as many internet opinions to support my usage as yours, the least it can be defined as is an alternative spelling that has been in common usage for hundreds of years, even if it is not your spelling of choice. Put it down to a quirk of language, I also frequently use gaol instead of jail too.
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JumbleDuck
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If you think that displaying or observing particular lights/shapes gives rights/obligations which overrule those deriving from the vessel's type or situation then I am sure you will be happy to quote a rule to support your belief. Over to you.
You weigh anchor to get under way. Gaol Is my preferred spelling!
Uricanejack
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Rule 20. The rules of this section apply to all vessels.
Upto rule 32.
All about the lights and shapes. Not the application of the rules. Who gives way to who. Rather about the identification of which type of vessel a vessel is. In order to be identified as a vessel more hampered than a power driven vessel. You need to signal your status to an observer on an other vessel.
The sails do it for a sailing vessel. The cone is unusual in signaling you are not a sailing vessel.
There is no requirement in the rules to show any additional lights or shapes. If you don't,then you are signaling to all other vessels you will maneuver as an ordinary power driven vessel or sailing vessel.
robertj
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Remember not to hoist it upside down.
JumbleDuck
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Thanks, but I'm afraid that doesn't answer the question. First of all, it's not the IRPCS but someone's notes on them. Secondly, it doesn't support l'escargot's claim that a vessel automatically gets the rights and responsibilities relating to any light or daymark shown, even if these are wrong.
There most certainly is. See Rule 24.
Vessels under 12m long which are not under command or restricted in their ability to manoeuvre do not need to show lights or shapes (Rule 27(g)) and the lights and shape for vessels constrained by their draught are optional (Rule 28).
Of course it's sensible to give other vessels a clear indication of your place in the hierarchy but any claim that, for example, showing a flashing yellow light turns a small sailing boat into a hovercraft needs to be supported by evidence. Which I await.
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Robin
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:biggrin-new:
l'escargot
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I don't think that and haven't said that anywhere, I am working on the assumption that people display the correct shape to their vessel or situation. If they don't the rules are all up in the air anyway. Displaying a shape gives you the obligation of complying with it - if you've got a ball up you are obliged to be at anchor, if you've got a cone up you are obliged to motor and not sail, if you've got a yellow flashing light up you should be on a hovercraft. You shouldn't display a shape that doesn't accord with your vessels type or situation so you are bound to the obligations of what you are displaying - if you are displaying a motoring cone don't complain if a motor boat doesn't accord you the stand on rights of a sailing boat.
And you are under weigh before you get under way - you can weigh your anchor before making way - and under weigh is a common place alternative spelling to under way just as gaol is a common place alternative spelling to jail. Neither is wrong.
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l'escargot
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Again I have not claimed a vessel gets the rights and responsibilities "...even if these are wrong". You introduced that concept not me. It would be ridiculous to suggest that a yellow flashing light on a small sailing vessel turns it into a hovercraft and the only person to suggest that is you...
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Robin
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You mean that 'fishing' boat with his shapes welded in place and doing 20kts back towards harbour is actually supposed to be fishing and the 'dive' boat doing the same with his fixed painted wooden 'A' flag actually must have divers under it, I hope they have crash hats on.:disgust: