An invitation to sea trial of brand new Sirena 64 trawler!?

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Eren said:
Excuse me for my ignorance but, even though I spend minimum 1-2 hours for reading about boats everyday, I had never heard of such a hidden anchor setup. I also remember MapisM mentioning about the boat not having an anchor during the photo shootings. So I believe that this has been a first view of such a feature for most of us. I think this time Sirena had been the trend setter.
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Fwiw, I can confirm that it has been a first view for me, but I'm not sure I'd call it a trend setter.
Based on what I saw in that video, I'd rather put my money on the fact that this is not just the first, but it will also the last... :ambivalence:
 
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Many thanks for the recap of your sea trial. What was your general feeling in terms of noise while running? Engine and overall hull noise? Also can you share what was the approx price tag for a loaded Sirena such as the one you trialed?
 
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jimba said:
Many thanks for the recap of your sea trial. What was your general feeling in terms of noise while running? Engine and overall hull noise? Also can you share what was the approx price tag for a loaded Sirena such as the one you trialed?
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Dear Jimba,

Good point! I forgot to mention that the boat was really very very silent. Most of the time I cruised from the inner helm. But for the master cabin, it was also very silent because there is a full beam bathroom between the engine compartment and the master bedroom. Please note that this particular boat had Volvo 900 HP engines on her. All the following hulls are built with the new generation CAT 12.9 engines. It is a general saying that CATs are more noisy engines. I also asked for the reason for the switch from Volvo to CAT. The answer was simple and reasonable: The demand from the US market. This boat is designed for selling on international markets including US. As most of the buyers from US prefer CATs (plus it is also a well respected engine elsewhere), they switched to CATs. By the way, one hull is already on the way to her owner in the US.
 
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MapisM said:
Fwiw, I can confirm that it has been a first view for me, but I'm not sure I'd call it a trend setter.
Based on what I saw in that video, I'd rather put my money on the fact that this is not just the first, but it will also the last... :ambivalence:
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Pin craft --actually an IT firm do them --seen a few the Van Dutch range of MoBo,s
http://www.pin-craft.it/prodett.php?ID=46&S=46&L=I&C=23

Not my cup of tea -- but hey ho

Interesting to see the fuel data for this boat Vs the MAN 1550 ,s In the Hat 70

Guess it boils down to how you use your boat for most of the time and how important is to you the outer ,or end quartiles of the performance graph is ?
Interesting to see if any overlap of fuel data and any differnce in Knots ?
 
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Portofino said:
Interesting to see the fuel data for this boat Vs the MAN 1550 ,s In the Hat 70

Guess it boils down to how you use your boat for most of the time and how important is to you the outer ,or end quartiles of the performance graph is ?
Interesting to see if any overlap of fuel data and any differnce in Knots ?
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Actully the fuel data comparison is interesting and gives a lot of input about consumption characteristic differences between a P hull and a SD hull. I will provide this comparison at a seperate thread, just looking for the time to put them into words and graphs.
 
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Eren said:
All the following hulls are built with the new generation CAT 12.9 engines. It is a general saying that CATs are more noisy engines. I also asked for the reason for the switch from Volvo to CAT. The answer was simple and reasonable: The demand from the US market. This boat is designed for selling on international markets including US. As most of the buyers from US prefer CATs (plus it is also a well respected engine elsewhere), they switched to CATs.
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Saying that US boaters would just "prefer" a Cat rather than a VP engine is quite an understatement... :rolleyes:
That said, I struggle to believe that this was their only - or even main - reason.
Oh, and fwiw, the 12.9 is actually a FPT (=Fiat) engine, with a Cat label on top of it.
 
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MapisM said:
Saying that US boaters would just "prefer" a Cat rather than a VP engine is quite an understatement... :rolleyes:
That said, I struggle to believe that this was their only - or even main - reason.
Oh, and fwiw, the 12.9 is actually a FPT (=Fiat) engine, with a Cat label on top of it.
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Probably you are right. There may be price issues as well, even though I don't have any idea which one is cheaper or more expensive.
 
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MapisM said:
Saying that US boaters would just "prefer" a Cat rather than a VP engine is quite an understatement... :rolleyes:
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I suspect that they underestimated the interest in the range from the USA and overestimated the interest from Europe which is why they've changed engine manufacturers. I suspect they were quite surprised to shift 4 of their 56 models at the recent Miami show, if that story is correct, and no doubt US punters would have expressed a preference for Cat
 
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MapisM said:
Oh, and fwiw, the 12.9 is actually a FPT (=Fiat) engine, with a Cat label on top of it.
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That's interesting. The other similar style of boat that I don't think has been mentioned on here before is the Sundeck 550. Italian designed and built I think, and with (smaller) FPT engines on shafts. It makes similar claims about fuel efficiency and high top speeds.

I don't much like the boxy styling though, compared to the rest of the crop of lifestyle trawlers from Azimut, Ocean Reef, Absolute, Cranchi, Sirena, all of which are much easier on the eye imho.

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henryf said:
Possibly the worst promotional video for a boat I have ever seen.

An attractive couple who quite frankly need to get a room if they are so much in love. Take the film crew and make a soft porn movie, I suspect it won't be the first one they've shot.

In the meantime you could then get someone in to make a less vomit inducing showcase for what may or may not be a great boat. The odd 2 second glimpse in between touching, caressing and stroking doesn't give much away.



Do they reallly think people buy into this "lifestyle" crap ?

Henry :)
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She is quite cute though.
 
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Nick_H said:
lifestyle trawlers
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Excellent description which I think just about sums up what this new type of boats are about. A bit like lifestyle SUVs which are designed to look like they can scale mountains and cross deserts but never actually do, these boats look like they can tackle big seas offshore but in reality will just commute from one Med anchorage to another just like the rest of us;)
 
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'Lifestyle trawler' is a pretty good name.

OTOH, I think these boats more resemble a different type of commercial craft.

But I guess the marketing department may already have rejected the name, 'tugjob' :D
 
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benjenbav said:
'Lifestyle trawler' is a pretty good name.

OTOH, I think these boats more resemble a different type of commercial craft.

But I guess the marketing department may already have rejected the name, 'tugjob' :D
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Not at all. See the Nordic Tug or the American Tug. Both beautiful ranges of boats, it takes a special kind of man to appreciate a faux working boat style. A certain je ne sais quoi, a man who looks good with his sleeves rolled up pretending to work, a man like me:encouragement:
 
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Nick_H said:
That's interesting.
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LOL, in a sense it's even more interesting the fact that (as I understand) even an experienced boater and a boat forum follower like yourself - i.e. someone with a boat knowledge well above average - wasn't aware of that.

Indeed, even Cat themselves, after having decided that in order to meet Tier 3 requirements with their C9 and C12 engines it was better to buy the technology from Fiat, rather than develop something adequate on their own, went very quiet on that.
I suppose they prefer to let their client think that anything they buy with a "Cat" label on top was developed in North Carolina.... :p

You can't find this online on Cat website anymore, but if you check out this snapshot of their 2013 "Marine Press Releases" and you click on the 30-Jan link, you can still read their announcement of FPT partnership/agreement... :encouragement:
 
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Indeed, even Cat themselves, after having decided that in order to meet Tier 3 requirements with their C9 and C12 engines it was better to buy the technology from Fiat
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Its becoming quite common to re-badge engines from other manufacturers. Some Volvo engines, for example, are re-badged Deutz engines. With ever changing emission tiers, its simply beyond the resources of even the largest engine manufacturer to develop completely new ranges of engines every time the emissions tiers changes
 
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Eren, from your kitchen picture, it seems the window over the stove can be opened? Looks a bit flimsy in the picture...did it look more like a proper solid glass piece in person? :)
 
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jimba said:
Eren, from your kitchen picture, it seems the window over the stove can be opened? Looks a bit flimsy in the picture...did it look more like a proper solid glass piece in person? :)
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Dear Jimba,

I don't remember that detail but it looks like it is a sliding window. What Incan tell you is that the boat is Category A rated and they have told me that it took them a long time to get the rating for the master cabin window, which is rather a big one. Therefore if the kitchen window is opening (on which I am 80% sure), it should definitely be solid.
 
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