An invitation to sea trial of brand new Sirena 64 trawler!?

[Eren]

For a long time I have been wondering about the new semi-displacement trawler of Sirena Marine, the Sirena 64. She has been exhibited at Dusseldorf and I heard that they received lots of positive feedback and some orders. They have a claim of being highly fuel saving than rivals (I think they point out Azi Magellano 66 with this). I had talked to them on the show and now I received a call that they invite me for a sea trial. We will do it next weekend and I will share my views after the trial. I am mostly interested with the fuel consumption figures and sea performance. But if any forumites will wonder about any other aspects, please let me know. I will be more than glad to check it for you.

All the best.

Eren

 

[paul salliss]

I had a brief look at her in Düsseldorf. As mentioned I was rather busy in hall 5 next door, but thought this boat looked like an impressive proposition

 

[Eren]

Actually this type of boat can be my next one, either this one or a Magellano. It looks good if they deliver the fuel economy promise that they give and also provide the motoryacht level crisp design and finishing. We'll see !!

 

[Seastoke]

Actually this type of boat can be my next one, either this one or a Magellano. It looks good if they deliver the fuel economy promise that they give and also provide the motoryacht level crisp design and finishing. We'll see !!

what is so different that makes it so good ,nice craft though

 

[Bouba]

She looks a bit like a grown up version of a Jeanneau Velasco, which of course is a stylised version of a Swift Trawler. Then again she might have a different hull
Nice boat, you're a lucky man to take her on a trip:encouragement:

 

[Eren]

Nice boat, you're a lucky man to take her on a trip:encouragement:

Thanks Bouba!

Frankly speaking, I am quite excited about the test. As of hull, yes, you are right, it looks like they have worked hard on it. With the big engine options (I think it was 1200 HP x 2) she can reach to 28 knots max speed. And it is claimed that she can do it with around 20-40% less fuel consumption than a Princess 68. But I wonder how the hull will be performing at those speeds. As a person who os pootling most of the time that I cruise,I will be glad to have boat that is happy at any place between 8 to 28 knots. With my planing boats, I always have the worry of ruining the turbos or glazing the block with accumulated ash, when I go at slow rpms (even though nothing bad happened until this time).

 

[Eren]

what is so different that makes it so good ,nice craft though

Seastoke, what makes it so good for me is the figures that they claim on the paper about consumption and max speed. I want to see these figures by my own eyes. I also think that she looks quite nice!

 

[henryf]

Possibly the worst promotional video for a boat I have ever seen.

An attractive couple who quite frankly need to get a room if they are so much in love. Take the film crew and make a soft porn movie, I suspect it won't be the first one they've shot.

In the meantime you could then get someone in to make a less vomit inducing showcase for what may or may not be a great boat. The odd 2 second glimpse in between touching, caressing and stroking doesn't give much away.



Do they reallly think people buy into this "lifestyle" crap ?

Henry

 

[Bouba]

Possibly the worst promotional video for a boat I have ever seen.

An attractive couple who quite frankly need to get a room if they are so much in love. Take the film crew and make a soft porn movie, I suspect it won't be the first one they've shot.

In the meantime you could then get someone in to make a less vomit inducing showcase for what may or may not be a great boat. The odd 2 second glimpse in between touching, caressing and stroking doesn't give much away.



Do they reallly think people buy into this "lifestyle" crap ?

Henry

Henry, what a load of old cobblers! If you're going to buy that boat new then you are already living the life. As bad as a car ad. I like the Swift Trawler brochure, as the boat gets bigger the couple get older. That's reality, if you sit in a marina and watch its as I tell my wife, boating is about old ladies with boat hooks
Mind you that Sirena is a proper mini superyacht

 

[MapisM]

Possibly the worst promotional video for a boat I have ever seen.

I couldn't agree more. And it's also too long and boring even for what it pretends to sell - i.e. the lifestyle as you said, rather than the boat.
Btw, do they think than an anchor is unnecessary on this boat, or am I missing something?

Sorry Eren, I don't want to dismiss something which as I understand you are interested in - and she might well be a great boat, for all I know.
But I just hate the wave of marketing BS which flooded us all in the last decade or so, and not just with boats of course.
Just as a small example, back in the days when I bought my old tub I never used the term "trawler" to describe her because even boaters (most of them, anyway) did not know what that meant.
Nowadays, I CAN'T use the term anymore, because people associate it to this type of boats, which have absolutely zero to share with trawlers.

Last but not least, trying to go back to technicalities a bit, I find it VERY hard to believe that they found a way to burn 20-40% less fuel at 28kts - which is firmly into full planing territory - compared to a similar size "traditional" P hull, which by definition is specifically optimized for P speed.

 

[BartW]

Re: An invitation to sea trial of brand new Sirena 64 trawler!��

Surprising choice Erin,
- new (not second hand)
- SD instead of planing
- not a mainstream brand

but nevertheless, interesting choice !

we see more and more of this new style of hull shape, which seems to be a totally new version of SD hulls,
actually I would call this a real SD hull,
and not something inbetween D and P that is pushed over the hump with lots of power.
coincidently I just read the article in april's MBY about that "45ft Jetten Beach", which has a similar hull shape. I'm surprised what speeds they can get with fairly lo power engines

I would really like to learn more about these hulls, as they become so popular.

re bigger engine for the Sirena,
It would surprice me if there is a 1200Hp version that can do 28kn,
either its only 1000Hp,
or its 1200Hp but you could to more than 28kn,
as a comparison, my old fashion 2 x 1100Hp 55Ton boat can acheeve 26kn on a good day.
bottom line, its mostly the boats's weight that counts at this kind of speeds.

yes pls post your experiences after this sea trial,
and especially try to take note's of the fuel consumption at different speed,
all very interesting !

 

[Bouba]

Last but not least, trying to go back to technicalities a bit, I find it VERY hard to believe that they found a way to burn 20-40% less fuel at 28kts - which is firmly into full planing territory - compared to a similar size "traditional" P hull, which by definition is specifically optimized for P speed.

MapisM, I thought you knew about hulls she has a bulbous bow under the waterline that's 84 feet long

 

[MapisM]

LOL, as if that would be sufficient to achieve 28kts without planing.
It takes a cruise ship size/length, to cruise in the mid 20s at D speed....

 

[Eren]

Do they reallly think people buy into this "lifestyle" crap ?

Henry

+1 Henry.

Also for photo shootings I would prefer to teak the flybridge.

 

[Eren]

Re: An invitation to sea trial of brand new Sirena 64 trawler!��

Surprising choice Erin,
- new (not second hand)
- SD instead of planing
- not a mainstream brand

but nevertheless, interesting choice !

we see more and more of this new style of hull shape, which seems to be a totally new version of SD hulls,
actually I would call this a real SD hull,
and not something inbetween D and P that is pushed over the hump with lots of power.
coincidently I just read the article in april's MBY about that "45ft Jetten Beach", which has a similar hull shape. I'm surprised what speeds they can get with fairly lo power engines

I would really like to learn more about these hulls, as they become so popular.

re bigger engine for the Sirena,
It would surprice me if there is a 1200Hp version that can do 28kn,
either its only 1000Hp,
or its 1200Hp but you could to more than 28kn,
as a comparison, my old fashion 2 x 1100Hp 55Ton boat can acheeve 26kn on a good day.
bottom line, its mostly the boats's weight that counts at this kind of speeds.

yes pls post your experiences after this sea trial,
and especially try to take note's of the fuel consumption at different speed,
all very interesting !

You pointed out very well about my choices Bart. I refrain to go out the mainstream brands. This is not a choice yet. But some figures that they have given took my interest. I know the company well. They have been (and still) building yachts for Azimut for many years. They built the 38, 40, 42, 55 and still producing the Magellano 43 for Azimut. When I had bought my Azi 47 5 years ago, I had sent my boat to their yard for fitment of crew cabin and several other upgrades. During the process I was at their yard almost continiously for about 1 month. I was quite impressed with their capabilities there. With accumulated know-how with Azi production, I know that they are able to produce a good boat. That is why I started to have interest in their product.

Thinking of coming years, where I possible plan to work less, of course I am more and more interested in fuel efficiency. So my sea trial will be more like a surveyor's sea trial. Don't be surprised if I come back with a knot/lph graph after the trial.

About engine power, let me check and come back to you.

 

[Eren]

Sorry Eren, I don't want to dismiss something which as I understand you are interested in - and she might well be a great boat, for all I know.
But I just hate the wave of marketing BS which flooded us all in the last decade or so, and not just with boats of course.
Just as a small example, back in the days when I bought my old tub I never used the term "trawler" to describe her because even boaters (most of them, anyway) did not know what that meant.

MapisM, I fully agree with you with regards to "abusing" the word "trawler". This has all started with Swift Trawler, followed by Azi Magellano and Absolute Navetta (by the way all of them are selling very well). If we will call these as "trawlers" what term shall we use to call a Nordhavn??

 

[Seastoke]

Seastoke, what makes it so good for me is the figures that they claim on the paper about consumption and max speed. I want to see these figures by my own eyes. I also think that she looks quite nice!

yes it was the fuel savings seem to good to be true ,how do they say they achieve the figures ,but i hope they do and you will a super craft

 

[stillwaters]

Possibly the worst promotional video for a boat I have ever seen.

Do they reallly think people buy into this "lifestyle" crap ?

I'm not so sure you're right on this occasion. If this was aimed at the likes of maybe most of us on this forum, then yes, fair point. However, maybe Sirena are more interested in targeting the newly affluent from those emerging countries, which have potentially more sizeable markets and where Boris etc can sufficiently woo their wives or mistresses with the lifestyle bling such a yacht would provide.
Although this vid is not my own cup of tea, the one aspect of it that I do believe could sometimes be used more in promo pics etc., is the inclusion of people, as too often there is a lack of scale or 'belonging' in them.

 

[henryf]

If the video was aimed at emerging markets then I'm not sure the owner would be at the wheel. You'd want a few bodies running around serving food & drinks !

We need Jack and the MBY team to be let loose on board

Henry

 

[Nigelpickin]

If the video was aimed at emerging markets then I'm not sure the owner would be at the wheel. You'd want a few bodies running around serving food & drinks !

We need Jack and the MBY team to be let loose on board

Henry

I thought that you were being a little over the top in your criticism; and then I watched the video! Wow it really is awful....

Then I took a look at the website...��