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[quote............So Gunfleet 1 will give rated 108MW x 65% estimated = 70MW. .......

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No, 108MW x 35% estimated, = 37.8MW. 65% of the time, doing not a lot.
 
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Dong need to make a profit on generation on this £480m site and are confident of doing so.
£1m day income from generating expected.


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Sounds like a very good business! shouldnt think you would need subsidies with that projected return, all the investment up front and minimal running costs in comparison to the development costs.
 
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48 turbines @ 3.6 mw ea. 172mw total. The next site on Long sand London array will be a gigawatt site exceeding Bradwell's old output. All the planned combined national sites will probably deliver 50% of national requirement and more as turbine efficiency climbs. ..............

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Sorry but you are quoting what the gov would tell you. In reality, planned and unplanned maintenance and periods of no wind mean that you only get about 30-35% of the quoted output. The Kentish Flats numbers, last time I saw them, said less than 30% !
It doesn't matter how 'efficient' the turbines are, if they are broken or there's no wind, you don't get anything out of them.
 
Agreed, there does seem to be a big hole in what we witness ( I see the Scroby Sands windfarm quite often) but any commercial operation is not going to leave turbines broken for long so will fix the gearbox or whatever and drive up output and financial income.
Where our electricity will come from when there is no wind or even too much wind I am still not sure about and does need answering more fully. I would guess (and only guess) that electricity would be bought in from france or quick start gas power stations but that would mean leaving them idle when its windy??
 
Even at 30 -35% if the figures are true, it is still a viable business, In the early 90's I was involved with putting together early windfarm proposals for the Banks, with the 'non fossil fuel incentive' that was being bandied around at the time it was just viable however nothing much happened at the time as the feasibilty studies for each site that we looked at were coming in at over 50k each and that was a lot to stump up if nothing came of it.
My point is, no one spends £480m without carrying out detailed feasibility studies on each site over 1 or even 2 years and the figures then have to have a large margin built in.
So their £1m a day income will have some sort of heafty contingency built in.
 
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One is able to vote for all options /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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You may believe that more than one is true !
 
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But still it is obviously all OK, the energy production is of little or no importance, 'cos Dong Energy have no doubt received substantial subsidies from the European Parliament, and no doubt similar subsidies floating around from Tony/Gordons Barmy Army, so they will have done quite nicely out of it...shame they are not an English Company, still we have to do our bit for our Euro neighbours I guess! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Great shame that Billy Liar didn't have the balls to go with a full on Nuclear programme and wave two fingers at the enviro lobby!

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Brightlingsea is also doing very nicely out of it I believe! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Have to admit that I am still to be convinced either way, but if there truly is an alternative to nuclear/fossil fuel then I would have no objection to it being used even if it did mean they were built in my back yard. The problem as I see it is that wind/wave/tide are not reliable enough to be available when needed most. We can't just turn on the power when needed, even if the kit was all fully functioning all the time.
There's at least three wind farms in sight of my home, and most of the time they are either idle or only a couple of them working, so unless we go continental and cover everywhere with them, we are still stuck with the same problem. Even then we would have to expect the vast majority of them would be idle for most of the time.
Electricity can't be stored so has to be generated when needed, and the only way I can see it working is by massive investment in nuclear reactors for now, with long term investment aimed at fusion.
Would I object to a nuclear plant in my back garden ?
Probably, but then I objected to the wind farms too, they all have to go somewhere, I accept that and would therefore not object to a nuclear plant in the long term.
Unless an alternative energy source is found, we need electricity to live a modern life, so we have to live with the means to generate it. How many dams were built to provide hydro electric power and how many people were affected by the building and flooding ?
No idea myself, but it doesn't now generate enough power, so we need to look at a sustainable power source, with the capability to increase production to suit increased demand. Wind and wave power is never going to be able to do that so it's money wasted that could otherwise be used to fund viable source research and production
Sorry if I've rambled /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Back in the box now /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Purely on the level of the amount of money that is being spent in the town by DONG, their employees and contractors.
 
wind farm noise levels

Aaahh dBA not db (muppet) /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif bit of a difference then, I will go and sit in the corner in penance /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, Jim

http://www.berr.gov.uk/energy/sources/re...oiselevellimits

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power lawn mower
80 manual machine, tools
85 handsaw
90 tractor
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Even at 30 -35% if the figures are true,.......

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Steady on old chap. I actually read an official report on the Kentish Flats farm, the figures were less than 30%.
Can't seem to find any up-to-date published figures online though.
I wonder why.
 
We sailed past at the weekend, and I counted 6 rows of 7 pedestals, plus 3 incomplete rows. It looks as if there will be 7x9=63 windmills, which is rather more than the number stated elsewhere, isn't it?

I don't mind them, myself, in fact i find them quite attractive aesthetically, but I can't see them as much of an answer to our energy problems.
 
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We sailed past at the weekend, and I counted 6 rows of 7 pedestals, plus 3 incomplete rows. It looks as if there will be 7x9=63 windmills, which is rather more than the number stated elsewhere, isn't it?

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If you take a look at the Downloads page on the East Coast Pilot website HERE and download the 'Gunfleet Windfarm' item, the second page of it shows the detail of the construction site and suggests 48 turbines.
 
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