An Anchor Thread! Grab your beers and popcorn.

[NormanS]

I'm astonished Norman, lost for words - that having been critical of me for saying a riding sail does not cope with bullets at 90 degrees. If an expert such as yourself cannot say that I am wrong. I can only assume my analysis is correct.

I asked you to post a picture of your bent link after you accused me of copying yours - I can only assume you withdraw your unfounded accusations. Possibly the similarity between your bent link and the almost identical Oscalluti device gave you pause for thought.

Unless you can support your accusatory posts - it might be better not to make them. Maybe also wonder - why do you make them?

Yes - I'm annoyed

Jonathan

I don't recognise your description of any posts coming from me as being "accusatory". I suggest that what's annoying you is that when I queried your statement that a riding sail could make things worse, you were forced to admit that you had no experience at all with riding sails. Get over it, and calm down. ?

 

[Neeves]

Norman, You obviously have a deep pool of experience which must have led to considerable knowledge. PBO is all about sharing and explaining knowledge, there seems little value in being here, on YBW, in particular, PBO if you do not share.

You have suggested I copied your bent link, which you must have been designed based on your experiences and it will have been frustrating to have seen your design copied without any acknowledgment - hence your repetition that your design has been copied. To support your suggesting that I copied your design, which I refute - post a picture of your device. In the absence of a picture - your gentle suggestions are simply meaningless words without any substance.


In my ignorance I would have thought that a riding sail when hit by gusts of very strong wind cyclically swinging through 90 degrees would cause a yacht to both heel, from the sudden impact, and yaw, from the change in wind direction. Your experience and that pool of knowledge developed over years, no decades, seems to contradict my ignorant ideas. It would be educational to me and maybe others to learn from you. An absence of an explanation does raise questions I'm my mind - and maybe in the minds of many others. Possibly you do care the share and would rather make claims but feel unable to support your experiences and knowledge. I am sure some will not care as they don't rate riding sails (at all) - the last comment based purely on the number of yachts I see with riding sails. You, unusually, use one - widen our knowledge base.

In the spirit of PBO take the opportunity to support your comments with explanations and pictures and help us to understand.

Jonathan

 

[boomerangben]

I’m a bit lost, but it strikes me that Norman and Jonathan have two very different means of securing their two very different vessels, with perhaps differing demands and differing locations. Bullets of wind from different directions does not seem to me indicate a tenable anchorage (much like the example I mentioned above on Skye: good in most conditions but not others and IIRC is mentioned in pilots). If you are stuck there in unforeseen circumstances then you have to create a solution based on the many many tools in the “securing your vessel tool box”. That might be a riding sail for a heavy displacement monohull or shore lines for a cat or vice versa or whatever works for you. Like most threads on anchoring it appears to me that many have a huge amount of experience with their boat in their part of the world and found solutions that work for them. Others have found quite different solutions that work equally well for them. But unless you have an identical boat in the same anchorage offering advice could result in a “thanks but no thanks”. The bottom line is here anchoring is all about being able to sleep well and waking up in the same place you went to bed. If this is all about sharing information and education then it is as simple as sharing what works for you in your boat and reading what others do. You can then think about if that idea or a hybridisation of the that idea might work for you. You might find someone else’s brilliant idea is rubbish for you or vice versa. Can we not live and let live?

 

[NormanS]

Norman, You obviously have a deep pool of experience which must have led to considerable knowledge. PBO is all about sharing and explaining knowledge, there seems little value in being here, on YBW, in particular, PBO if you do not share.

You have suggested I copied your bent link, which you must have been designed based on your experiences and it will have been frustrating to have seen your design copied without any acknowledgment - hence your repetition that your design has been copied. To support your suggesting that I copied your design, which I refute - post a picture of your device. In the absence of a picture - your gentle suggestions are simply meaningless words without any substance.


In my ignorance I would have thought that a riding sail when hit by gusts of very strong wind cyclically swinging through 90 degrees would cause a yacht to both heel, from the sudden impact, and yaw, from the change in wind direction. Your experience and that pool of knowledge developed over years, no decades, seems to contradict my ignorant ideas. It would be educational to me and maybe others to learn from you. An absence of an explanation does raise questions I'm my mind - and maybe in the minds of many others. Possibly you do care the share and would rather make claims but feel unable to support your experiences and knowledge. I am sure some will not care as they don't rate riding sails (at all) - the last comment based purely on the number of yachts I see with riding sails. You, unusually, use one - widen our knowledge base.

In the spirit of PBO take the opportunity to support your comments with explanations and pictures and help us to understand.

Jonathan

Boomerangben has hit the nail on the head. We have very different boats, and different ways of achieving the same end. I do some things, like the occasional use of a riding sail, which for some reason, is utterly condemned by Jonathan, although he admits that he has no personal experience of such a sail. For the very few people who might be interested, I will probably start a new thread on the subject, as we have drifted too far.
Regarding my "bent link": in a previous discussion about the pros and cons of a swivel at an anchor, I stated that I could not see how a swivel on its own could assist with the correct orientation of the anchor when it's coming up onto the bow roller. I said that I had made up a short rod with a bend in it, with an eye at each end, shackled to my anchor, and that as soon as the bend came onto my bow roller, it automatically rotated the anchor if required. It's not exactly high tech, it's a short piece of rod or round bar, with an eye at each end, well within the skill range of many PBOs. Several people, including Jonathan, showed interest, and so I sent photos to their emails. Shortly thereafter, Jonathan replied with his take on the idea, where instead of using a rod and two eyes, he had cut a device out of solid plate. Good for him, I thought. He has since claimed that I had copied my bent link from a company called Osculati (or similar). I hadn't actually, and have since learned that they are a company supplying chandlery to largely the top end of the market, - way beyond my limited purchasing power. Far from being frustrated, I am actually delighted that others are using similar devices, and have no interest in whether they make them themselves or buy them from a supplier.