Almanac correction - access for Diélette

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I have planned a preferred itinerary for a "delivery" trip to Jersey that takes in Cherbourg and Diélette. Please, no suggestions like "Diélette - don't bother". There is a reason behind my planning (mostly related to allowing me enough time in the Cherbourg supermarkets to stock up on booze in the morning and then only having a limited time between the tidal gate round Cap de la Hague closing and my crew demanding yet another meal ashore). /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

So, Diélette it is. Trouble is that I have never been there and the write up in Reeds (suggesting limited access for deep draught yachts) has tended to put me off. Then, I sat down and did some calculations and I wondered whether Reeds had got it wrong. I penned an email to the editor and the response .... not a word. Not even an acknowledgement. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Apologies for the length of the post, but if one of you forumites has the time and inclination to be 'rsed to check my logic I would be grateful.

To the editor of Reeds Almanac

I believe there is an error in the almanac under the heading of “Navigation” for Diélette. The “Navigation” section appears to cover access through the outer harbour (above chart datum) to the “Bassin de Commerce” (below chart datum) and not to the inner marina, access to which is quite restricted as is discussed under the heading “Facilities”. The particular phrase that I believe is inaccurate is “with Coefficient >55 accessible for 2.5m draft”. With the use of the “greater than” sign I read this as saying that a deep draft vessel can only enter the port on a day when the tidal coefficient is more than 55. Conversely, on any day when the tidal coefficient is more than less than 55 (eg. an average neap tide), a deep draft vessel cannot access the harbour at all. Looking back at previous editions it would appear that the same description has been used for several years.

The tidal coefficient is, so far as I understand, a relative measure of the tidal range on a given day (i.e. springs, neaps, or somewhere in between) and not a comment about a particular height of tide at any given moment. The greater the tidal coefficient the larger the tidal range on a given day and so the higher the height of tide at high water and the lower the height of tide at low water.

Since the outer harbour is, according to the description under “Navigation”, dredged to 0.5m above chart datum, a 2.5m draft vessel would require a height of tide of at least 3.0m to enter the Bassin de Commerce. From the tidal information for the port it is clear that this would not be the case at low water springs (MLWS St Malo 1.5m less 0.3m = 1.2m). However, at average neap tides, the height of tide varies from 3.5m at low water to 7.4m at high water and so this would allow 24 hour access to the Bassin de Commerce for the 2.5m draft vessel referred to above. So, this immediately suggests that the phrase “with Coefficient >55 accessible for 2.5m draft” is misleading.

On closer investigation, I calculate that a tidal coefficient of 55 implies a tidal range that is 20% along the path from mean neaps (coefficient 45) to mean springs (coefficient 95). Spring range is 8.5m (9.7m less 1.2m) and neap range is 3.9m (7.4m less 3.5m). So, the range on a day when the tidal coefficient is 55 is 3.9m plus 0.2 x (8.5 – 3.9) = 4.8m. If we assume that the additional 0.9m of tidal range over mean neaps is split equally between a 0.45m increase in the height of tide at high water and a similar reduction in the height of tide at low water, then the height of tide varies between 3.0m and 7.9m. At low water, therefore, there would be a clearance of 2.5m across the channel in the outer harbour dredged to 0.5m. This would allow your 2.5m draft yacht 24 hour access on that day (although not if the channel had silted up at all, nor if the yacht strayed from the recommended track, and nor when pressure is materially higher than 1013 Mbar). Perhaps a margin for error of 0.5m would be appropriate.

Once in the Bassin de Commerce, which appears from the chart to be at 2m below datum, the tidal data suggests that a yacht drawing 2.5m could happily stay afloat on all but the lowest of spring low waters (when even the dredged channel in the outer harbour would have totally dried).

All this leads me to suggest that a better description for access would be “with Coefficient LESS THAN 55 accessible 24 hrs for 2.0m draft.”

I have to admit that I have never visited the port (largely because your description of what appears to be rather limited accessibility for my 2.1m draft yacht has so far put me off) and so I cannot confirm any of my conjecture against actual observations. However, I have observed that your information regarding the dredged depth of the outer harbour access channel is consistent with that on the port’s own website (http://www.cc-lespieux.fr/fr/port-dielette/presentation-et-plan-du-p/default.asp).

One small additional observation is that Reeds Almanac states that the sill into the marina is at 4m above CD, whereas the above website states it is at 3.5m above CD. Mind you, I would never argue against inclusion of a 0.5m margin for safety!

I would be interested to hear whether you agree with my conclusions.
 
I havent worked through your numbers but was there 2 weeks ago. we only draw 1.5m so no worries.

My point of responding is to advise against the Raz restaurant visible from the pontoons. The 'portacabins' advertising Moules are apparently a much better bet if that is what you after.

We were advised after we left that we should have walked to other restaurants further into the town .....er .... village for a bigger meal.
 
Yeah. I got that. It is not the inner marina I am talking about which, for my brief visit, will be totally inaccessible - arriving in the early evening shortly after low water and departing the following morning - but access across the outer harbour into the Basin de Commerce: where the ferries land.
 
FWIW, Cruising Assoc Almanac says:

Entrance is dredged to -1.5m. It has a marina (2.5m) with a flap gate sill at +3.5m. There is a waiting pontoon, a tide gauge showing depth over sill, and IPTS entrance lights for the marina. Dangerous to approach and uncomfortable in strong W or SW winds.

Blahdiblah about approaches

On entering give the inner pier to port a wide berth as silting takes place at end. The small commercial harbour opens up and the marina entrance is to starboard. Dredging in progress 2006 (!!!) -2m in basin de commerce, -1.5m in approach channel. 70 visitors. Extra moorings on waiting pontoon. May ground.

Dunno if that helps -no mention of coefficients.

Good pix here:
http://www.digimap.gg/dielette

Also ybw info at:
http://www.ybw.com/ym/raydes/dielette.htm
 
Thanks for the info.

Reeds says "outer hbr ent dredged CD+0.5m" and there is a mini-charlet showing 2m below datum immediately inside the harbour walls for the "basin de commerce", but the green stuff (above CD) outside.

That seems to be at odds to the "Entrance is dredged to -1.5m" comment in your Cruising Assoc Almanac.

Not sure from the way it is worded whether the comment "may ground" is a ref to inside the commercial harbour or inside the marina (surely the former?), but should not be a problem for me in either case. I'll be going there near neaps.
 
Very helpful

How can you find the YBW ifo by instructing someone to navigate the YBW website please. Its info I can't find without using your helpful link.
 
I think 'may ground' applies to mooring on the waiting pontoon which is inside the commercial harbour, outside the marina. But as there seems to be least depth 2m there, plus whatever extra LW neaps gives you, it sounds only a theoretical possibility. However - no way ashore from the waiting pontoon, unless you get your tender wet.
 
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I think 'may ground' applies to mooring on the waiting pontoon which is inside the commercial harbour, outside the marina. But as there seems to be least depth 2m there, plus whatever extra LW neaps gives you, it sounds only a theoretical possibility. However - no way ashore from the waiting pontoon, unless you get your tender wet.

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MLWN is 4.2m, so loads of water. In fact, that sums up my verbose email to Reeds very succinctly.

According to the plan on the harbour's own website there are three waiting pontoons. One is indeed in the middle requiring a tender to get ashore, but the other two appear to be connected: one shared with the ferry (I have checked that the ferry from Guernsey is not due to arrive until I will have left) and the other parallel to the ferry pontoon.

Thought I found some pictures on the net making this clear, but cannot remember where.
 
The pontoons in the outer harbour do have shore access, or at least they did a few of years ago. By the way I like Diellette good first stop if the tide in the race is favourable.
 
Mmmm, when we were there last, two years ago, the pontoons that are connected to the shore were occupied by local boats, there is waiting pontoon which was not connected. IIRC.
 
From hunting around on the net it looks like a new pontoon marooned in the middle of the harbour was added a couple (?) of years ago to supplement the others that are connected to shore - presumably because the latter were indeed always occupied by local boats.

Even the new charlet issued in Reeds's June 2009 almanac update still doesn't show the waiting pontoon in the middle.

After the total lack of response to my earlier email I'm not going to waste a moment of my time telling them. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
The original outer pontoon to the north has been supplemented by a new pontoon at 90 deg to the ferry pontoon it is connected to shore using the ferry ramp the only down side being you cant use the ramp while they are loading/unloading passengers due to customs restrictions.
 
The harbour's website has a plan showing a third pontoon - in addition to the northern one and the one at 90 degrees to the ferry pontoon. This is the one that is unconnected.

See here Port Dielette
 
Got some more piccies here for you:

This first one clearly shows the visitors pontoon, not connected to land, or at least that was the case in 2006. Just beyond you will see the wall that keeps the water in the marina. The block of concrete to the right is the port hand side of the entrance, as you will see the sill is up in this photo as the tide recedes. the boats to the left of the photo are part of the Tour de Port de la Manche race that was arriving on the day were there. The local boats were kicked off the walk ashore pontoons for the fleet to embark, see the photo below.

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This lot took over the pontoons normally used by locals. These guys are mad! Some of the boats were in a bad way, some less than 25 ft, they had just run the last leg in the Tour from (I think it was) Jersey up to Dielette, they finished in wind in excess of 40knts, and that is what we were registering in the marina!



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