duncan99210
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Would that it was a small contingent.
Allowed on boat...
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Would that it was a small contingent.
Tomahawk
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Fair point.. boatie types who are self suffcient are a minority in the population.. the majority will watch football in a large crowd of morons.
alandalus11
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Mmm. some very interesting stats on how deaths are recorded. I was surprised in normal times, 1600 a day or nearly 600,000 a year die from other conditions in the UK alone.
How deadly is the coronavirus?
How deadly is the coronavirus?
Old Harry
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8% of those infected die
Elemental
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That's nonsense of course. The total number of deaths (2926 as I write) is accurate. The total number of infections (34200 as I write) is wildly inaccurate - it's only the number of positive tests and takes no account of mild or zero symptomatic infections that are never reported or tested. The real infection rate is (AIUI) at least 10 times higher (leading to a presumed 0.8% mortality rate)
alandalus11
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**Old Harry said:
8% of those infected die""
Yes, but do you know that for a fact. Our neighbour died from cancer this week, he was going to die anyway in the next few days but if he was found to have had C19 then he would have been one of the daily deaths and recorded as dying with C19. So the big question is this, out of the daily death figures, how many died from C19 and how many died with C19 but were going to die anyway?? So to say 8% of those infected die is wrong because they may have died in the next day, 2 days or week anyway from something completely different. This is why we need these antibody tests carried out on the population because that 8% may well be the 0.8% that SeaSpray mentioned.
8% of those infected die""
Yes, but do you know that for a fact. Our neighbour died from cancer this week, he was going to die anyway in the next few days but if he was found to have had C19 then he would have been one of the daily deaths and recorded as dying with C19. So the big question is this, out of the daily death figures, how many died from C19 and how many died with C19 but were going to die anyway?? So to say 8% of those infected die is wrong because they may have died in the next day, 2 days or week anyway from something completely different. This is why we need these antibody tests carried out on the population because that 8% may well be the 0.8% that SeaSpray mentioned.
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Old Harry
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But Not" Of"the DC will stated all known issues
Triassic
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Thank you, that's probably one of the most encouraging things anyone has said to me for a long time....
One of the first things you become aware of as a police officer is the need to maintain some kind of perspective around your view of the general population. The realties of the job are that you spend the vast majority of your time dealing with a fairly small percentage of the population, and it's just a fact of life that most of that percentge is made up of stupid, ignorant and unpleasant people. We had a much more encompassing term for them but I don't think I'm allowed to use it on here.
Despite best efforts it's sometimes hard to keep a balanced opinion of the general public, so since retirement I've been working really hard on being very positive about them. Perhaps as you suggest I have gone a bit to far, but it's good to know I've made positive steps.
I actually liked your post, you make a really good argument and it's hard to take issue with much of it. All I would say is you need to remember that the presence of rules or laws will not in themselves protect you. If I could be allowed to illustrate that with a simple example. You're driving down a road and ahead you see a lorry approaching from a side junction. The lorry clearly isn't going to stop. The law says you have a right of way and it places obligations on the lorry driver to afford you that. Are you going to carry on and collide with the lorry, or is common sense going to prevail and encourage you to take avoiding action? The lorry driver is "at fault" but this is not about blame, it is about staying safe. Isn't there a ditty that goes along the lines of he who is dead right is just as dead as he who was dead wrong...? The government have provided the framework, the means, by which we can remain safe on our roads but it is up to the individual to apply common sense to ensure that safety.
One of the most significant changes I saw in society over the later decade of my career was this move towards a lack of personal responsibility. The "where there is blame there is a claim" mentality had a lot to do with this because it discouraged decision making and the application of common sense. We saw that most evidently with the Grenfell tower incident.
This Coronavirus and subsequent Lockdown are challenges we must all overcome together. It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people out there quite happy to drive into the lorry because it doesn't specifically say anywhere in the highway code that they should stop. Good luck to them.
Biggles Wader
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A few years ago I had a neighbour who was a police officer(quite senior coming up to retirement) who specialised in crimes like murder and other serious nastiness. He too had become conditioned to thinking almost everyone was like the tiny % he dealt with at work. Quite hard to combat it in many occupations.
WF36
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I see HHA have just sent out an email saying no one on the Orwell or Stour until further notice 
Tradewinds
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Old Harry
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Please keep off the water ???I see HHA have just sent out an email saying no one on the Orwell or Stour until further notice
tillergirl
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Whoops, the pleasure vessel out of Heybridge Basin to SYH must have turned his AIS off!
With a wicked sense of humour: Clearly the HHA are constantly troubled by leisure craft to distract them. I think they mean "STAY AT HOME"
With a wicked sense of humour: Clearly the HHA are constantly troubled by leisure craft to distract them. I think they mean "STAY AT HOME"
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDoo
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How far does HHA's patch go up the Orwell, didn't think it went as far as Suffolk Yacht Harbour?
Old Harry
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Why not say just that then, or is it they dont have the power to stop yottinWhoops, the pleasure vessel out of Heybridge Basin to SYH must have turned his AIS off!
With a wicked sense of humour: Clearly the HHA are constantly troubled by leisure craft to distract them. I think they mean "STAY AT HOME"
Tradewinds
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I don't think it does - looking at the map Ipswich Port VHF starts opposite Trimley Marshes
tillergirl
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I think the answer is fairly obvious, Harry!
Grebe: I don't think the big Mobo can jump over the Harbour!
Grebe: I don't think the big Mobo can jump over the Harbour!
Leighb
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The yacht Cheetah? is just passing Orwell buoy so about the enter HHA jurisdiction. The other has just transited their patch.
AntarcticPilot
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I was under the impression that the Walton Backwaters were controlled by HHA; they certainly publish some of the various chartlets of the area.
ex-Gladys
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There's a difference between the limits of HHA and VTS...