AndieMac
Well-Known Member
Yes, a top job P, sharpens the look nicely. The refurbished decks looks great as well, looking forward to signing on as crew shortly 
Aesthetic vs. cost saving: where to draw the line?
- Thread starter MapisM
- Start date
rbcoomer
Well-Known Member
Looks great! Interesting that you retained the timbers on the stern but not on the bow etc... Both the right call IMHO - the bow would have looked too 'busy' with wood timber and white panels, the stern would probably be too bland if the timbers were white! :encouragement:
davids0865
Well-Known Member
Wow, looking very smart(and OCD clean as always), I just love your tub, if the new look eases the maintenance load, great, but justified in my view aesthetically alone.
wakeup
Well-Known Member
A very nice face lift taking a couple of decades off the boat.
MapisM
Well-Known Member
Glad of your appreciation, folks.
Actually, both myself and swmbo liked the varnished wood look a lot, and we feared that the white paint would have made her look like a fishing boat - well, even more than she already does, that is!
And even if in a sense this might be true, the much lighter and brighter overview is also refreshingly "younger", so to speak...
Actually, both myself and swmbo liked the varnished wood look a lot, and we feared that the white paint would have made her look like a fishing boat - well, even more than she already does, that is!
And even if in a sense this might be true, the much lighter and brighter overview is also refreshingly "younger", so to speak...
jfm
Well-Known Member
Yup, imho the all-white look is very very nice MapisM. Nice job, very smart looking, good going. And the white seams obviously make sense - not a "compromise" imho
How does the capstan work on your windlass? There is no fairlead that I can see in a relevant position, so how do you ever wind in a line using the capstan? There must a be a trick to it?
How does the capstan work on your windlass? There is no fairlead that I can see in a relevant position, so how do you ever wind in a line using the capstan? There must a be a trick to it?
MapisM
Well-Known Member
Very, very well spotted.
Since I saw it the first time, I thought that they must have installed the windlass on a friday afternoon, since that's how the boat was built...
Actually, it can be used by routing the line, after the port fairlead, back around the aft side of the port cleat, and eventually forward to the capstan.
But as you can see, also the cleat is not aligned with the capstan, so it's a tricky job and not very practical anyway.
A vertical capstan would have been appropriate, as allowed for instance by the bigger Lofrans' windlass that BartW has on BA - which would have been usable also from stbd side, as an additional bonus. But my model does not allow the installation of a capstan on top, unfortunately.
No big deal anyway, because I prefer, in stern to mooring, to secure the bow lines first, leaving plenty of room astern, and then tighten the stern lines with the cockpit winches (which are instead very well placed).
But yes, definitely that capstan is not the most clever bit of naval engineering from the yard... :nonchalance:
PS: agreed re. the white seams around the frames, the only reason why I called it a compromise is that the Sika stuff (which is what I eventually decided to go with for the recaulking) is only available in black. But it was actually my yard that, after recaulking one frame in black and seeing that it was fugly, suggested to use something else (I'm not even sure about what they actually used, but can ask if someone's interested) available in white...
Last edited:
jfm
Well-Known Member
Ah well, twas ever thus. I think all yards (even the Feadship yards and Lurssen) have Friday afternoons 
.
Yes vertical capstans ultimately make more sense at the bow because of all the different angles you have to deal with, but no worries
I agree with you on mooring on your home berth: I much prefer to keep the stern lines loose, then haul in the loose bow lines to marked positions, then tighten it all up using the stern winches. Exactly as you describe. Strangely this is often not how others do it though - I often see boats set the stern lines first then try to tighten 2 bow lines with one winch! Each to their own I suppose!
. Yes vertical capstans ultimately make more sense at the bow because of all the different angles you have to deal with, but no worries
I agree with you on mooring on your home berth: I much prefer to keep the stern lines loose, then haul in the loose bow lines to marked positions, then tighten it all up using the stern winches. Exactly as you describe. Strangely this is often not how others do it though - I often see boats set the stern lines first then try to tighten 2 bow lines with one winch! Each to their own I suppose!
MapisM
Well-Known Member
I guess that those who set the stern lines first are just used to give priority to the correct distance from the dock, and adjust bow lines accordingly.
But as you say, that's unnecessary when you are in your home berth, with marked bow lines.
And actually, even when I'm mooring elsewhere, I still prefer to haul in the bow lines first, leaving a safe distance from the dock, with loose stern lines.
If after tightening the stern lines the boat is still too far from the dock, it's easy peasy to let go as much of the bow lines as required.
But of course I agree with your conclusion - whatever works, at the end of the day!
But as you say, that's unnecessary when you are in your home berth, with marked bow lines.
And actually, even when I'm mooring elsewhere, I still prefer to haul in the bow lines first, leaving a safe distance from the dock, with loose stern lines.
If after tightening the stern lines the boat is still too far from the dock, it's easy peasy to let go as much of the bow lines as required.
But of course I agree with your conclusion - whatever works, at the end of the day!
scubaman
Well-Known Member
Imho she looks fantastic!
White caulking might work well with the new colour scheme
White caulking might work well with the new colour scheme
Last edited:
BartW
Well-Known Member
+1
its like a nice girl, whatever clothes she wares she will alway's be nice
I like the white finish MapisM, well done.
BartW
Well-Known Member
fully agree, and that's also our method of doing the lines as you know,
thats the only way that E can do the ropes without an effort, and she is good at that, and well used to the routine
nevertheless gladd to confirm that we have finally had delivery of that additional top capstan on our Lofrans Titan winch,
for the occasional use when i want to pull bow lines a little extra (with a auxiliary rope)
SailorBill
Well-Known Member
I think the new white paint job looks fab. Even better than I thought it would. Just think of all the time saved in varnishing. What are you planning to do with your few hours extra free time each year, that's what we all want to know!
Pinnacle
Well-Known Member
Based upon my observations over the past couple of years, it will probably involve an extension to MapisM's regular attacks of "laziness crisis", and some additional time with a wine glass in his hand.
Can you tell I am a little bit jealous?
MapisM
Well-Known Member
Wow, thanks for the flowers.
It's nice to see that I'm not alone in thinking that also aesthetically the result is not bad at all.
But as the thread title implied, the change was mostly driven by the hope to save some maintenance costs...
...in fact, varnishing/painting has never been my thing, which means that it was rather a money than a time pit.
Bottom line, I'm not expecting to change a lot vs. Pinnacle's "observations"...
...as long as my liver will stand the lifestyle, that is!
Pinnacle
Well-Known Member
Bottom line, I'm not expecting to change a lot vs. Pinnacle's "observations"...
...as long as my liver will stand the lifestyle, that is!
You are too modest............I know you have been training really hard recently, so I think you will more than cope!
