Aegean Fence

[Irish Rover]

Greece, Bulgaria tighten border control as Turkey says it will allow refugees to pass

 

[mainsail1]

Surely this thread should be in the Lounge?

 

[Blue Sunray]

So we just sit on the sidelines whilst they endure a few centuries of bloody conflict (as 'we' did)? - What fatuous nonsense you spout.

Really? So let's go back 150 years or so. There was a rather nasty little civil war going in North America. Your interventionism would have some variety of delegation trying to get some sort of compromise solution or possibly a UN peacekeeping force inserted. Either option would mean 'respect' for both sides principles and traditions if it were to succeed. Slavery going on into the 1900s anyone?

As someone whose actually had to do this sort of stuff, your post comes across as at best naive.

 

[Resolution]

Surely this thread should be in the Lounge?

Maybe, but for those of us who sail in the Aegean these developments are both relevant and disturbing. I really don’t want to go back to the status just three or four years ago when there were places we sailed where the sea was littered with life jackets and rubber rings. You never knew whether they had just been discarded on landing in Greece or had been in fatal use.

 

[Irish Rover]

Syrian refugees flock to shores, bus stations on way to European borders

Very rough seas around Kuşadası today so I don't imagine anyone will be foolish enough to chance it but the next 3 days are forecast to be calm so we'll probably see some movement.

 

[steve yates]

They have to learn to deal with those issues themselves, just as we did. They won't solve it by invading peaceful, stable countries like ours.

Words matter. They are not invading, and they are not migrants. They are refugees fleeing a homeland torn apart by war. The smug selfsatisfied nimbyism of the average yottie in England is quite revolting to behold.

 

[AndrewfromFal]

Really? So let's go back 150 years or so. There was a rather nasty little civil war going in North America. Your interventionism would have some variety of delegation trying to get some sort of compromise solution or possibly a UN peacekeeping force inserted. Either option would mean 'respect' for both sides principles and traditions if it were to succeed. Slavery going on into the 1900s anyone?

As someone whose actually had to do this sort of stuff, your post comes across as at best naive.

That’s quite a straw man you’re building there.

 

[Blue Sunray]

That’s quite a straw man you’re building there.

Not really. For instance, some would say that there are very strong parallels with the way Homosexuals and Women are treated by parties to a number of the modern conflicts and how blacks were treated in the USA/CSA .

It's easy to make trite little posts like your #20, the reality on the ground is rather more complex.

For clarity I should however point out that I have 'elton' on ignore (due to not wanting to read his half witted bile in the past) so I did not see the post to which you were responding.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

I would like to see the reaction if 30,000 migrants flood the Isle of Wight. This is what is happening to some Greek islands at the moment.

 

[Blue Sunray]

I would like to see the reaction if 30,000 migrants flood the Isle of Wight. This is what is happening to some Greek islands at the moment.

I'd have thought that they would be more likely to head directly to France.

 

[Irish Rover]

I would like to see the reaction if 30,000 migrants flood the Isle of Wight. This is what is happening to some Greek islands at the moment.

What kind of reaction would you expect if any country other than Turkey had 4,000,000 refugees?

 

[elton]

So we just sit on the sidelines whilst they endure a few centuries of bloody conflict (as 'we' did)? - What fatuous nonsense you spout.

How exactly would they build a peaceful civilisation by abandoning their homes and running away?

 

[elton]

Surely this thread should be in the Lounge?

Of course it should. But some members have a misplaced belief of superiority, which allows them to ignore the well known protocol.

 

[Irish Rover]

Of course it should. But some members have a misplaced belief of superiority, which allows them to ignore the well known protocol.

?

 

[Zing]

I don’t know why the Syrian refugees don’t get organised, and why the Turks don’t help them do it. There are 11m refugees or displaced people out of 20m Syrian citizens. That would be a big enough army to easily defeat Bashar. They could borrow Turkish tanks and guns and go and take their country back.

 

[Irish Rover]

I don’t know why the Syrian refugees don’t get organised, and why the Turks don’t help them do it. There are 11m refugees or displaced people out of 20m Syrian citizens. That would be a big enough army to easily defeat Bashar. They could borrow Turkish tanks and guns and go and take their country back.

What a wonderful idea. Millions of women and children facing down the might of the Russian army.

 

[Zing]

What a wonderful idea. Millions of women and children facing down the might of the Russian army.

All 4000 Russian military advisors? They would clearly need some anti aircraft missiles to keep the bombers at bay. And you are wrong that women cant fight in wars? Plenty in The YPJ.

 

[Blue Sunray]

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[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Turkey capitalises on the misfortune of the Syrian refugees and it uses this as a weapon against the EU and Greece. Turkey has also invaded Syria!!. And furthermore Turkey has sent army in Libya!!; Let's hope that tourists boycott Turkey this summer and don't go there for sailing.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Turkey capitalises on the misfortune of the Syrian refugees and it uses this as a weapon against the EU and Greece. Turkey has also invaded Syria!!. And furthermore Turkey has sent army in Libya!!; Let's hope that tourists boycott Turkey this summer and don't go there for sailing.

True, but a tourist boycott will achieve no change whatsoever, tourism crashed after the coup attempt and that made no difference, neither there is no reason a boycott would have any more influence now - kicking them out of the F35 programme was a pretty big step and nowt changed apart from them moving even closer to the Russian camp. Malletting Erdoğan might have been a try, though it's probably too late for that given his post coup cleansing of the Army, CS etc.