Aegean Fence
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CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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There are almost 20,000 illegal immigrants in Lesvos and many many thousands more around the islands facing Turkey. The Greek populations which has been very homogenous up to recently, is facing the problem of space, money and cultural blending of the migrants. In addition Greece has the ongoing menace of Turkey that uses any means to antagonise Greece and allowing the flow of migrants to entering Greece which is the first entry point to Europe. So far, I have been admiring the Greeks for their tolerance and generosity, but its becoming a problem and it needs a solution.
Also, the fact that Germany has encouraged and has asked for the immigrants to cross borders to reach Germany, has created a huge problem for all in Europe, including the immigrants who believe that they will be welcomed wherever they go. Is this floating fence going to stop the immigrants? I don't think so. However, flooding Europe with immigrants who nobody has space or money or the will to accommodate must stop.
Overall, the conditions that the immigrants (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, etc) have left behind are better than what they have now. In the meantime, the Aegean provides great sailing for all.
Also, the fact that Germany has encouraged and has asked for the immigrants to cross borders to reach Germany, has created a huge problem for all in Europe, including the immigrants who believe that they will be welcomed wherever they go. Is this floating fence going to stop the immigrants? I don't think so. However, flooding Europe with immigrants who nobody has space or money or the will to accommodate must stop.
Overall, the conditions that the immigrants (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, etc) have left behind are better than what they have now. In the meantime, the Aegean provides great sailing for all.
Irish Rover
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An interesting perspective. Who do you think is responsible for flooding Europe with immigrants and how can it be stopped?
anoccasionalyachtsman
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Looks more like a chemical pollution control barrier.
Irish Rover
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I don't think the photo was intended to show the proposed fence. They just stuck that in to fill space. They just seem to be trying different options - as far as I know the surveillance airship over Samos isn't operational anymore whether because of cost, poor results or whatever I don't know.
Irish Rover
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Was this you today
There was some fascist Greek nutter agreeing with you in the EP today.
newtothis
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Guess you've never had a run it with a tooled-up warlord who is threatening to kill you and your family for some perceived slight your great grandfather committed against his great grandfather. You could go to the police, but the rule of law stopped about 50 miles back, and even there it's a user-pays system, open to the highest bidder.
But hey, wouldn't want to spoil your holiday with all those people. I live in south east London so I know what a huge mass of humanity 20,000 people is... it's a home game at the Den.
GTom
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Not so many warlords in Pakistan and many countries where the majority of them are from, neither in Turkey or Iran they passed. True, there are authentic refugees from war zones like Iraq, Siria, Somalia, but the masses are not Sirians anymore.
Zing
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Greece needs a wall, not a fence and Turkey should pay for it.
Irish Rover
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CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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...a drop in the ocean
Irish Rover
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"The official figures show 26 people died en route to Europe in the same period, mostly due to drowning and hypothermia"
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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Drastic action should be taken to stop these people from putting themselves in danger by crossing the sea; and stopping them from putting in danger their young children too in such a careless actions. They mistakenly believe that their lives would be better if they cross to Lesvos or Chios etc. Migration must be done in a controlled manner, if not, deaths are increased rapidly and riots begin to shatter all communities. Anyway, the majority of these people come from Bangladesh and other countries that refuge status in not applicable and not real. They need to apply formally. In the meantime....carry on sailing.
mjcoon
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I'm sure we all know who you are getting (or satirising) that attitude from! I recollect getting emotional about a wall, or rather the memorials, some decades ago when I twice visited Berlin both before and after their wall came down...
Mike.
AndrewfromFal
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Have you actually spoken to anyone who's been to Iran in the last 2 decades? Several friends of mine who have been there have found corruption on a level with Zimbabwe at the height of the Mugabe kleptocracy.
Meanwhile Turkey slips more and more towards a totalitarian dictatorship, - i.e. the kind of regime that always targets outsiders. To pretend these places represent some of haven for refugees to settle is naive, to put it politely.
GTom
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And Britain is drifting towards exactly what with Mr. Johnson at the helm?
elton
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They have to learn to deal with those issues themselves, just as we did. They won't solve it by invading peaceful, stable countries like ours.
newtothis
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I think it a sign of their desperation that they would want to escape to a such a civilised country filled with the kindness and compassion demonstrated by its little Englander residents.
Resolution
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It might be useful to separate out the economic migrants from the political refugees.
I suspect there have been quite a number of economic migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh making the trip westward in the hope of finding prosperity and a better life. I can't blame them for trying this, but would have few compunctions in trying to restrict their entry to the EU.
From what we see in Turkey the current majority are Syrians, who have a pretty powerful reason to get out if they can. I suspect that the majority of those holed up on Lesbos are such refugees. Does anyone have accurate statistics on this?
Either way, Turkey is caught in the middle and it is a great strain on their traditional hospitality to visitors to their country. The numbers make our strife at Calais a walk in the park.
I suspect there have been quite a number of economic migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh making the trip westward in the hope of finding prosperity and a better life. I can't blame them for trying this, but would have few compunctions in trying to restrict their entry to the EU.
From what we see in Turkey the current majority are Syrians, who have a pretty powerful reason to get out if they can. I suspect that the majority of those holed up on Lesbos are such refugees. Does anyone have accurate statistics on this?
Either way, Turkey is caught in the middle and it is a great strain on their traditional hospitality to visitors to their country. The numbers make our strife at Calais a walk in the park.
AndrewfromFal
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So we just sit on the sidelines whilst they endure a few centuries of bloody conflict (as 'we' did)? - What fatuous nonsense you spout.
