advice required (non-boaty)

[tcm]

I recently exchnged contracts to buy a house. The idea is to redevelop by putting a new house on the land. For this I need planning permission, which is in process and I have on my desk two notices which must be attached to in a prominent position, one advisng of application to demoilsh the existing house, another to advsie application for new house being built.

Trouble, the current owners of the house know nothing at all about this, and since I havn't completed, i can't just staple these notices to their fence. They have been in the house for forty years.

When we first looked around, they quite naturally assumed that we were planning to live in the house. It was raining. The old chap let us in, but announced that his wife would show us around. Dripping wet, we stood waiting for her in the hallway and pondered the surrounding woodchip wallpaper. "Awful, isn't it?" said the old chap, trying to make pleasant conversation. I very nearly replied "No problem, we're gonna bulldoze the whole thing anyway!" but fortunately swmbo saved me by realsiing he was talking about the weather, and said that it wasn't too bad now that the rain had almost stopped.

They showed us the honeysuckle, the roses ("Casino") up against the wall, and the bits of kitchen wall marked with the heights of their children as they had grown up. Since then, the dear old couple have asked if we want the house professionally cleaned before they move out, and so on.

So, i erm gulp now have to confrontem and say oh, yerknow your nice house, well, could we just put this application notice on the front wall to flatten it? Hope that's okay!

I will try and talk to the agent. I don't suppose that they are bound to say yes, are they? Otherwwsie i will have to wait till completion, 6-10 weeks away.

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[jimi]

Whereabouts is this listed building?

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[Scarboroughsloop]

If they've been there for forty years they must be quite old by now. Pay them a visit under the pretence of measuring for curtains or something and "accidently" walk away with their glasses. You will then be free to post the signs wherever you want as they won't be able to see the fence, let alone a notice on it!!!

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[longjohnsilver]

Small world again.............

My parents are selling their house and have lived up your way for oh, must be about 40 years or so, they also have casino roses, their pride and joy, as well as honeysuckle, and each year they marked off our heights on the wall.

Did you see my picture on the mantle piece....................?

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[sailbadthesinner]

Matt
if you are not the owner of the property and wish to make an application on it you have to write to the owner giving notice. Some planning authorities have a standard form to send to the owner as part of their application forms.
Also
As part of your application you have to sign a form stating when you served notice on the owner ( if you have not been a tenant for more than 7 years) you must also let the agricultural tenant know( not applicable i know.)
As for sign location normal practice is the lamppost outside the property or nearest prominent positon close to the boundary of the property.

You could ask to have application witheld or put on hold. but authorities unwilling to do this in many cases as they have targets to process these applications. so once it is logged it is in the targets to be measured list.

other than that you can withdraw. if you continue an officer may visit the site and may knock on the door and ask the owners can he wander around garden.?

If you intend to buy without owner knowing i would stop the application and wait until completion.

Other than that you have to tell them that your wife has fallen in love with your boat and wants a house that is like being on the boat so you have found fab architect who has suggested knock down house and start again and live in for next 40 years before selling to another desecrator of family memories.

did you carry out any prior consultation with the LPA? How sure are you you will get permission???? Plus also make sure this guy aint got friends on the local planning committee.



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[ParaHandy]

a) the council should already have sent letters advising of the planning application to the immediate neighbours so the chances are they will already know which won't put you in good odour.
b) the notices have to be displayed prominently for 21 or 28 days and a convenient lamppost should do, so you can not wait until completion otherwise you have to resubmit etc etc

Simpler to speak to the couple? There could be many reasons why such drastic action is necessary and the quicker you get your "side of the story" in the less likely fanciful and inaccurate stories abound which may well encourage objections ...

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[ecudc]

You should definately tell the couple even if you don't have to by law. They will find out anyway and it is best that they are the first to know. Obviously they're going to be upset but try and put across how enthusiastic you are about this project and be honest (but tactfull) about your reasons for doing so.

Getting neighbours (if you have any close by) on board is also a good idea to. We've just had a house knocked down around the corner, I can't see why they wanted to do it as its cost them a staggering amount to buy knock down and rebuild (we are talking millions) and it was a nice, though not especially exciting house in the first place. Although we are actually quite far away from the house the noise and disruption cause by the builders is huge and goes on from sometime 7 in the morning to 7 at night and on saturdays too. This could definately sour any new relationship with the neighbours if they are not approached first.

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[colvic]

I assume you had outline permission for your idea before purchasing the property and if so I would have thought the existing owners would have been served notice of your application as you have to state who the owner is, or "owner in fee simple" the last time I bought land to develop.

As others have said, notices will have gone out and everyone near by who is interested will know about it.

Why so long until completion.especially considering age of resident owners?


Phil

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[tcm]

Re: Small world again.............

eek! Couldn't have been yours, v low ceilings. But then it was a bit denty...

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[jimi]

I have a solution. This will save you a lot of money and provide much entertainment. Blow the place up! You can claim it is an accident and claim on the insurance. I'd be quite happy to give you a hand as we've got pyrotechnique expertise in the family. My grandfather was a shotfirer in the coal mines and in latter years my father whilst a quarry manager indulged himself in blowing up things, on one occasion he made the national press by blowing up part of a golf course in scotland by accident. Whe just need lots of sugar and sodium chlorate and a few empty beer kegs. We'll just say that we we trying to contain the weeds and make some home brew for the house warming party .. not strictly a falsehood .. to explain the presence of the weedkiller, lots of sugar angd the beer kegs. Quite foolproof I think.

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[Rob_Webb]

Don\'t be soft..... carry on

..... otherwise if you don't want to hurt them wait...... 'til they die.

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[andyball]

Try the normal re-developers trick of demolishing first, then asking for permission to demolish retrospectively....happens quite a bit, tho' council get shirty, but never seem to do much about it.

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[ParaHandy]

Re: den o\' iniquity ... sin city

The man's up tae nae guid ... this late horticultural conversion and he'll be telling us he's installed window boxes in his boat .... the two old dears realised early on his dread plan. There he was on the doorstep planning where the roulette & blackjack tables were to go, the one-armed bandits, and the old dear thinks he's admiring the roses so when they asked him what he thought ... without thinking ... he said what was on his mind, casino ....

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[Moose]

Say it fell down when you were making the toast!!

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Moose

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Cad

Sir,

Be gallant, romp round there immediately on your white charger, and tell'em what's going on. Neighbours will all be gossiping about it...one of them will know someone who knows someone in planning office...so put them out of their misery and do the decent thing

Outraged of Berks

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[tcm]

Thanks for all help.

I bit the bullet, called their agent, and posting the notices was agreed.

Then, I returned home to the house we have agreed to sell. Whilst I've been worried all day about posting notices on someone's gatepost, the tw@t next door has set his gardening loonies on his front garden, and chopped down a chinese oak tree in our front garden! Ah well, he says, you're not here most weekends. Oh right and that means you can chop it down? Well, he says, it was a bit overgrown. Yeah, but you're wife is very ugly and your car is shite, but that doesn't mean i can take action to remedy the situation, shoot your wife and scrap your car? eh? well doesit?

Interstingly, he protested that the car was actually a very expensive Range Rover. Oh right, so at least we're agreed on the wife. Neighbours eh? Who'd have me? I mean, them.

Oh, and beware. I am moving into a road populated by ...a poster hereabouts. South of Watford is all I will say.

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[whisper]

Don't be silly. He's pulling a scam on these poor old folk so is unlikely to have got "outline permission". If he had done so he would have had to pay them the correct and much higher price. Morals of an alley cat - a raggie wouldn't have done such an underhand thing! Fairly typical of behaviour in this country today unfortunately.
Still, he'll get his just desserts when "THE BUILDERS" start "work"!

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[whisper]

Hee hee hee !! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif Serves you right, for ruining for ever the old folks' twilight years. The retribution has started. /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

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[BrendanS]

Sheeitee! You mean that convent they are building at the end of the lane could be a tcm reclamation project?

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[jimi]

not near the H1 is it? Sure you do'nt want the weedkiller & sugar option?

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