BruceK
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Does the OP have any idea how much it costs to keep, run and maintain a sea boat? Most especially an old boat. Buying it is the real easy part. Heed Henryf's advice.
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Advice needed for an important project
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Bouba
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When knowledgeable people explain how a potentially dangerous activity can be done safely I think they should be listened to. When one person, no matter how clever, brave or nothing left to live for they are, does something stupid it reflects on us all. One bad incident can change legislation in a heartbeat and we all suffer. We are a self policing leisure activity and this exchange of information, as on this forum, is our method. Please respect the process
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Jegs
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That is well expressed, but I couldn't help thinking that, thank you PGW, it ought it to have been followed by "14 days without the option."
ATB,
John G
calranthe
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I have no problem taking advice my issue with this thread came down to a few things
1)once I had changed over to getting a river/canal boat people were still bemoaning the sea stuff and telling me I was not taking sound advice when ironically I had taken there advice
2)Telling me I can not do something is wrong on so many levels, yes tell me it will be hard, tell me why it will be hard and give me a better option but do not just tell me not possible.
3)Saying "I smell a rat" without even doing me the curtey of getting to know me will annoy me. yes I made mistakes in joining too many people to my facebook but that was just enthusiasm on my part no harm or deception meant.
4)And this is directed to MrB he seems to think he knows my name Calranthe from some where and I have asked him quite politely to let me know (I said I was not active in gaming for a long time) he sent me a message saying "You last used the name on 25/02/2017 @ 2:02 AM", when I quite politely asked him could you tell me what game or where this is because I think some one is impersonating me (calranthe is a name I created in 1998 on a game called meridian 59 it was actually cal'ranthe) he completely ignored me.
So if I felt a little persecuted can you understand why ?
Actually I figured number 4 out, Elite dangerous lol, 25/02/2017 2am My oculus rift arrived that day and I was trying to get my x52 pro and headset to work, I was like a bear with a sore head trying to fix the issues but I only played it solo.
1)once I had changed over to getting a river/canal boat people were still bemoaning the sea stuff and telling me I was not taking sound advice when ironically I had taken there advice
2)Telling me I can not do something is wrong on so many levels, yes tell me it will be hard, tell me why it will be hard and give me a better option but do not just tell me not possible.
3)Saying "I smell a rat" without even doing me the curtey of getting to know me will annoy me. yes I made mistakes in joining too many people to my facebook but that was just enthusiasm on my part no harm or deception meant.
4)And this is directed to MrB he seems to think he knows my name Calranthe from some where and I have asked him quite politely to let me know (I said I was not active in gaming for a long time) he sent me a message saying "You last used the name on 25/02/2017 @ 2:02 AM", when I quite politely asked him could you tell me what game or where this is because I think some one is impersonating me (calranthe is a name I created in 1998 on a game called meridian 59 it was actually cal'ranthe) he completely ignored me.
So if I felt a little persecuted can you understand why ?
Actually I figured number 4 out, Elite dangerous lol, 25/02/2017 2am My oculus rift arrived that day and I was trying to get my x52 pro and headset to work, I was like a bear with a sore head trying to fix the issues but I only played it solo.
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Momac
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Both are okay - worth a visit.
lisilou
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Now you've annoyed me!...Why on earth would I want to get to know you first? What...you want me to call you? Go out for drinks? Call round to your house before I dare to question your motives? You're asking for donations (yes you are) from complete strangers and you expect us (me) to believe everything you say? Come on...how naive do you think we are? This is an Internet forum and a well established one with people who have developed both virtual and real friendships over many years and in that time, trust has been earned yet here you are on your first post, plugging a go fund me page (that's what you are doing, despite your protests). You seek me out on Facebook and friend request me. Why? What would that have achieved? Except maybe to poke around my personal life. Personally I found that unsettling to say the least. Creepy in fact. So if I feel a little sceptical...maybe YOU can understand why! All my senses are pricked up here and I feel very uneasy about you.
This is just my personal gut feeling.
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Sandyman
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Twas mine from the first post. Twas why I didn't reply.
calranthe
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Then you need antacids because your gut is wrong.
okay okay can we take a breather.
I went on facebook before coming here I looked for uk boat enthusiasts and clicked on about 100 random people adding them thinking anyone who stayed or asked me who I was I could explain no harm no foul
I come here and you take it very personal as if I was stalking you ?
When you and others say things I think are a misunderstanding, I do the only thing I can I say erm i'm not like that and I offer the olive branch of being willing to talk things out on phone etc because the internet is great for misunderstandings, I am really at a loss as to why you 1+1 and got 11
Hypothetically could I be telling the truth could this just be a real misunderstanding (if you read my posts here from the first one, I never mentioned my funding address, I just put things in context and as people asked me more questions and offered more advice I revealed more so people understood more)
Could it be that there is a chance I am not an evil monster that its just not like that ?
If I get into an argument in real life first thing I do is offer to talk it out, to grab a beer and many times I have made great friends of enemies by chatting and talking it out my dad taught me that.
I am going to say something now and please please do not take offence are you a Woman, god this sounds like I am digging my grave but, I didn't realise your username on here was female and I if so then I facepalmed didn't I ? you think I stalked you to here and then tried to get you to let me call you.
I know you won't believe me but Sorry I was only trying to fix what is even if you do not believe it a crazy set of misunderstandings.
okay okay can we take a breather.
I went on facebook before coming here I looked for uk boat enthusiasts and clicked on about 100 random people adding them thinking anyone who stayed or asked me who I was I could explain no harm no foul
I come here and you take it very personal as if I was stalking you ?
When you and others say things I think are a misunderstanding, I do the only thing I can I say erm i'm not like that and I offer the olive branch of being willing to talk things out on phone etc because the internet is great for misunderstandings, I am really at a loss as to why you 1+1 and got 11
Hypothetically could I be telling the truth could this just be a real misunderstanding (if you read my posts here from the first one, I never mentioned my funding address, I just put things in context and as people asked me more questions and offered more advice I revealed more so people understood more)
Could it be that there is a chance I am not an evil monster that its just not like that ?
If I get into an argument in real life first thing I do is offer to talk it out, to grab a beer and many times I have made great friends of enemies by chatting and talking it out my dad taught me that.
I am going to say something now and please please do not take offence are you a Woman, god this sounds like I am digging my grave but, I didn't realise your username on here was female and I if so then I facepalmed didn't I ? you think I stalked you to here and then tried to get you to let me call you.
I know you won't believe me but Sorry I was only trying to fix what is even if you do not believe it a crazy set of misunderstandings.
calranthe
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This really is crazy but I can understand how it happened, see before last week my facebook only had 5 people on and 3 of those are family and I was notoriously known for logging on once in 6 months to message once or write a post, then Paola starts going down hill and a friend said why don't you create a gofundme account and try to raise some funds.
If any of you have ever done that you will know once you put in your story and picture the amount you want it pokes you to log into your facebook, then it tells you it helps to find people with common interests, it even tells you how to look for groups (boats uk) was the search term used, then it tells you most campaigns live or die on facebook and twitter, sometimes increasing by 350% for people who are connected.
Now at this point remember I am not a facebook person I keep away from it check my history beyond this last week, so mentally I was at the point at "i've put all this work in and its not going to help"
Gofund me then tells me to try and increase my friends lists to reach more new donators, all the time showing me links of successful projects so I think what the hell if some one does not want to be on my list they can unfriend me so I randomly within 30 mins add 100 people although some how I ended up with a lot of indian people aswell (not such a bad thing a couple of them actually talked to me discussing the weather looks like they are having heavy rain in bangledesh so I made new friends).
At this point I saw this forum recommended and so I signed up.
Then I went to the motor boat subtopic and started a post, It was a very important post to me and so I wanted to explain why but please remember something I am not a media or netiquette person I don't post a lot anywhere so I was learning as I went and as people asked me questions I told them more.
Now IF what I just said is true and I do not see how I can prove it does that not explain all that has gone on (also when you join gofundme and add facebook it sends EVERYTHING to everyone, I am trying to find how to disconnect things)
Yes i'm smart but social media is not my interest I pressed some buttons and now i'm a monster and trying to fix it the only way I know how as in offering to chat to some one who has an issue with me messed it up even worse.
Okay thats the last I will post on it, I am genuinely sorry it went down this way I was not trying to stalk you I am not like that I just feel like everything is stacked against me now for what I genuinely know is a comedy of errors.
If any of you have ever done that you will know once you put in your story and picture the amount you want it pokes you to log into your facebook, then it tells you it helps to find people with common interests, it even tells you how to look for groups (boats uk) was the search term used, then it tells you most campaigns live or die on facebook and twitter, sometimes increasing by 350% for people who are connected.
Now at this point remember I am not a facebook person I keep away from it check my history beyond this last week, so mentally I was at the point at "i've put all this work in and its not going to help"
Gofund me then tells me to try and increase my friends lists to reach more new donators, all the time showing me links of successful projects so I think what the hell if some one does not want to be on my list they can unfriend me so I randomly within 30 mins add 100 people although some how I ended up with a lot of indian people aswell (not such a bad thing a couple of them actually talked to me discussing the weather looks like they are having heavy rain in bangledesh so I made new friends).
At this point I saw this forum recommended and so I signed up.
Then I went to the motor boat subtopic and started a post, It was a very important post to me and so I wanted to explain why but please remember something I am not a media or netiquette person I don't post a lot anywhere so I was learning as I went and as people asked me questions I told them more.
Now IF what I just said is true and I do not see how I can prove it does that not explain all that has gone on (also when you join gofundme and add facebook it sends EVERYTHING to everyone, I am trying to find how to disconnect things)
Yes i'm smart but social media is not my interest I pressed some buttons and now i'm a monster and trying to fix it the only way I know how as in offering to chat to some one who has an issue with me messed it up even worse.
Okay thats the last I will post on it, I am genuinely sorry it went down this way I was not trying to stalk you I am not like that I just feel like everything is stacked against me now for what I genuinely know is a comedy of errors.
MrB
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Jeez, you are like a petulant child that cannot get his own way. I congratulate you on finding the friendliest, most generous (with time and money) and probably the wealthiest, well connected boat forum on the internet to peddle your "go fund me" page but your attitude has blown it for you.
It was blatantly obvious from your very first post what you were after, it's the same MO all scammers that want money for nothing use. Know one knows you but still they offer you priceless advice you totally ignore because the advice isn't your end-game goal, the money is. When you realize it's not working for you you change your initial plea and go with a flow you think may work for you. Page one i believe, canal boats were suggested to you but that wasn't good enough for you until you could see it wasn't going your way. I could go on but it isn't worth the time and effort.
As for your name and you feeling persecuted (bless) by me asking you if it was your gamer name, for someone as intelligent as you i would have thought you would know how to use Google by now.
NGM
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Rightly or wrongly your interaction with this forum is not proving productive. Given the huge commitments you have on your time and energy - it maybe time better spent on your wife rather than arguing the point here.
henryf
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I accept that you are not forum / Facebook / funding page / netiquette savvy. You find yourself in a bit of a muddle thinking god, why does everyone hate me when I'm actually a thoroughly decent chap.
Now you need to accept that same muddle on a boat in the middle of the sea is an all together more serious scenario and that's why I and others have posted the words we have.
My advice has been given and as far as I can tell ignored, certainly not acknowledged. In fact quite the opposite. "Don't tell me what I can and can't do".
Am I bothered about the funding page? No, not really. I'm not going to donate so I simply ignore it and see if I can offer the required advice just on the off chance you find yourself in a position to buy a boat.
Henry.
Now you need to accept that same muddle on a boat in the middle of the sea is an all together more serious scenario and that's why I and others have posted the words we have.
My advice has been given and as far as I can tell ignored, certainly not acknowledged. In fact quite the opposite. "Don't tell me what I can and can't do".
Am I bothered about the funding page? No, not really. I'm not going to donate so I simply ignore it and see if I can offer the required advice just on the off chance you find yourself in a position to buy a boat.
Henry.
henryf
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Do you know something I don't ?
Whenever I'm standing at the bar with a fellow member of the parish they always seem to have forgotten their wallet
H.
calranthe
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I don't give up that easily especially when all the bad stuff is a mistake, say what you will people I never came to this forum to get money out of any one and all I can do is apologise for the misunderstanding, I was just providing context.
Telling the truth takes no time or effort really okay it does get frustrating but that is fine.
never really liked canal boats as in the look of them the narrow boat design just has never interested me probably why I first looked into offshore cruisers, I liked the look, river cruisers seem to be a nice compromise and apart from the people insulting my integrity I have not in any of my posts when people offered me advice been less than polite even thanking people even if the advice was not what I was looking for.
Hmm "it maybe time better spent on your wife", Lets see I got up at 6am, walked the dogs, 9am cooked breakfast (wifes low carb menu means she gets to eat nicer stuff than me) eggs and bacon cooked on an iron frying pan, see if wife needs anything, then she usually goes into her crafting room (we setup a room she has a Zing, 3d pen, viking sewing machine, computer, and 40+ easy reach draws of card/paper/material) then I go on my computer and I am never more than room away IF she needs me but she is stubborn as hell and has to do everything herself lunch was for her low carb bread I baked myself toasted with a sausage and herb burger topped with an egg and slice of mature cheddar (the trick being to make sure none of it goes cold), then let her know if she wants to go a walk or anything let me know, second dog walk, and dishes done.
This is nothing I just as any honest person would get bothered when people who have not taken the time to get to know me jump to a completely reasonable but still wrong assumption.
Telling the truth takes no time or effort really okay it does get frustrating but that is fine.
never really liked canal boats as in the look of them the narrow boat design just has never interested me probably why I first looked into offshore cruisers, I liked the look, river cruisers seem to be a nice compromise and apart from the people insulting my integrity I have not in any of my posts when people offered me advice been less than polite even thanking people even if the advice was not what I was looking for.
Hmm "it maybe time better spent on your wife", Lets see I got up at 6am, walked the dogs, 9am cooked breakfast (wifes low carb menu means she gets to eat nicer stuff than me) eggs and bacon cooked on an iron frying pan, see if wife needs anything, then she usually goes into her crafting room (we setup a room she has a Zing, 3d pen, viking sewing machine, computer, and 40+ easy reach draws of card/paper/material) then I go on my computer and I am never more than room away IF she needs me but she is stubborn as hell and has to do everything herself
lunch was for her low carb bread I baked myself toasted with a sausage and herb burger topped with an egg and slice of mature cheddar (the trick being to make sure none of it goes cold), then let her know if she wants to go a walk or anything let me know, second dog walk, and dishes done.This is nothing I just as any honest person would get bothered when people who have not taken the time to get to know me jump to a completely reasonable but still wrong assumption.
Bouba
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Look, today I took my boat out of its mooring but the river was flowing more powerfully than I'd anticipated and the boat start to spin. I have seventeen years of continuous boat ownership and got control instantly, more importantly my wife was there in the right spot ready to fend off. Boating is mostly a two person sport
calranthe
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For that I thank you and will try to feel less persecuted.
calranthe
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How did you deal with it and am I right in thinking you knew the river was stronger than normal due to the weird weather but not expecting it to be so powerful.
henryf
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You might not like the look of a narrow boat but a steel hull narrow boat is tougher and immeasurably easier to adapt to your needs. Steel work and welding is also readily available and affordable compared to anything which requires the services of anyone who uses the word "marine" in their title.
Running a cruiser on the canals is a nightmare on so many levels. For one thing you can never share a lock. The flat hull of a narrow boat means you draught is much less which you will soon realise is often critical.
You wife's crafting skills will also be very well received in the narrow boat community.
H.
Running a cruiser on the canals is a nightmare on so many levels. For one thing you can never share a lock. The flat hull of a narrow boat means you draught is much less which you will soon realise is often critical.
You wife's crafting skills will also be very well received in the narrow boat community.
H.
Bouba
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You can judge the river by the recent rain and by how debris floats down it, but under the surface is not so easy. You can move the back of a single engine boat by prop walking. But the moral of the story was my crew mate knew where to be and what to do, that is why most boating is done by couples.
You might be better as passengers on someone else boat. Careing for dogs on a boat is hard enough but as a full time care giver for your wife how will you manage the boat?
Capt Popeye
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Well you do seem quite a determined Fella for sure, might I throw in something that I think has not been suggested to you both.
How about considering a static Floating Home with a powered craft specially suited /adapted to allow easy access for those in wheel chairs, both are readily acquired.
Indeed would suggest that you contact one of the Disability Boating /Sailing charities near you home, or one further away but providing craft with lading type doors either in the Bow or one a side which enables a Disability chair or scooter really easy access.
Our 'Dart Sailabilty' near Dartmouth in South Devon has such disability craft as well as others that act as Safety Boats or Rescue Boats all maned by suitably qualified personnel.
Our Disability group can also train personnel in the RYA schemes so one can become experienced and qualified to take ones own boats out.
Would suggest that a suitable Floating Home can be moored up in a Marina or similar so easy access via a pontoon is available plus the Toilets and Showers are close at hand. The activity of other boaters would bring some enjoyment when required but then one's personal seclusion is assured. Suitable purpose built Floating homes are advertised on Gumtree.
Having a smaller (18 /22 ft) disability access outboard propelled craft will enable you both to take short cruises probably in sheltered waters when the time is right for you; the scenery plus wild life from a boat has to be experienced; the ramp will allow landing on beaches in Rivers for strolls in /out of a wheelchair plus visiting local Pubs /Cafes etc together; a new but different life style can await you.
But I do admire your personal dedication to you partner, looking after someone does really require dedication and commitment.
Suggest that you both consider all the options thats been suggested, plus put in a reality /cost check before deciding, you do appear to have the dedication plus determination to achieve good things, so please go for it
Well you do seem quite a determined Fella for sure, might I throw in something that I think has not been suggested to you both.
How about considering a static Floating Home with a powered craft specially suited /adapted to allow easy access for those in wheel chairs, both are readily acquired.
Indeed would suggest that you contact one of the Disability Boating /Sailing charities near you home, or one further away but providing craft with lading type doors either in the Bow or one a side which enables a Disability chair or scooter really easy access.
Our 'Dart Sailabilty' near Dartmouth in South Devon has such disability craft as well as others that act as Safety Boats or Rescue Boats all maned by suitably qualified personnel.
Our Disability group can also train personnel in the RYA schemes so one can become experienced and qualified to take ones own boats out.
Would suggest that a suitable Floating Home can be moored up in a Marina or similar so easy access via a pontoon is available plus the Toilets and Showers are close at hand. The activity of other boaters would bring some enjoyment when required but then one's personal seclusion is assured. Suitable purpose built Floating homes are advertised on Gumtree.
Having a smaller (18 /22 ft) disability access outboard propelled craft will enable you both to take short cruises probably in sheltered waters when the time is right for you; the scenery plus wild life from a boat has to be experienced; the ramp will allow landing on beaches in Rivers for strolls in /out of a wheelchair plus visiting local Pubs /Cafes etc together; a new but different life style can await you.
But I do admire your personal dedication to you partner, looking after someone does really require dedication and commitment.
Suggest that you both consider all the options thats been suggested, plus put in a reality /cost check before deciding, you do appear to have the dedication plus determination to achieve good things, so please go for it
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