Advice for a newbie on a bigger boat. Regal, Sealine, Bayliner or..

[DavidJ]

Have you got the boat insured yet? It’s likely that they will ask for a survey which may scuttle any short term plans you have for a sea voyage.
Fire extinguishers in date?…..doubt it!

 

[adhdan]

Have you got the boat insured yet? It’s likely that they will ask for a survey which may scuttle any short term plans you have for a sea voyage.
Fire extinguishers in date?…..doubt it!

No but I was advised that if I insure it with the same company as the owner they would likely switch it over without asking for a survey. & unsure about the fire extinguishers, if out of date presumably a visit from a man with a clipboard who can test & stick a new sticker on them is needed?

 

[DavidJ]

No but I was advised that if I insure it with the same company as the owner they would likely switch it over without asking for a survey. & unsure about the fire extinguishers, if out of date presumably a visit from a man with a clipboard who can test & stick a new sticker on them is needed?

I hope the switch over works for you. My company, Craftinsure, worded it that it expected a survey to be done at 20 years then again every 5 (I think). They don’t ask for proof it’s just part of their insurance conditions which you have to obey.
My engine room extinguisher was 20 years old (whoops) so I just replaced it. Again my insurance company required it to be automatic and manually operational from the helm.
I won‘t tell you how much it was, I don’t want to spoil your day.

 

[adhdan]

I hope the switch over works for you. My company, Craftinsure, worded it that it expected a survey to be done at 20 years then again every 5 (I think). They don’t ask for proof it’s just part of their insurance conditions which you have to obey.
My engine room extinguisher was 20 years old (whoops) so I just replaced it. Again my insurance company required it to be automatic and manually operational from the helm.
I won‘t tell you how much it was, I don’t want to spoil your day.

How come they wanted them to be manual & automatic? i assume you had to fit some fancy system and not just a bottle you clip into a holder

 

[DavidJ]

How come they wanted them to be manual & automatic? i assume you had to fit some fancy system and not just a bottle you clip into a holder

Yep, one of these
NFD 250 - Sea-Fire Marine
In UK £1500
Rip off Spain £2000 (but it does include installation)

I wanted to replace like for like but don’t get too worried if you have to replace because there is plenty of experience on this forum for alternative solutions.

 

[adhdan]

Update if anyones interested, im waiting on the owner to refit the trimtab ram thats had a new seal. Getting an insurance survey done, spoke to a guy who can do it in the next couple weeks, makes sense to get it done while its out the water. When all thats sorted if the weather looks reet and can get away from work & the wife for the week i'll float it back, otherwise its on the lorry.

Any recommendation on a emergency liferaft bag? I was looking at a 6man kits which seem to be just under 1k. what do other people have onboard for if the siht hits the fan.

 

[harvey38]

Update if anyones interested, im waiting on the owner to refit the trimtab ram thats had a new seal. Getting an insurance survey done, spoke to a guy who can do it in the next couple weeks, makes sense to get it done while its out the water. When all thats sorted if the weather looks reet and can get away from work & the wife for the week i'll float it back, otherwise its on the lorry.

Any recommendation on a emergency liferaft bag? I was looking at a 6man kits which seem to be just under 1k. what do other people have onboard for if the siht hits the fan.

Many will say you don't need a liferaft unless doing some serious ocean crossings. I disagree and of the opinion it is better to have and not need than need and not have!

I found these folk very helpful and provided me with a unit that had just been re-certified by themselves for a very good price.

ISO Liferafts - Norwest Marine

 

[colhel]

Update if anyones interested, im waiting on the owner to refit the trimtab ram thats had a new seal. Getting an insurance survey done, spoke to a guy who can do it in the next couple weeks, makes sense to get it done while its out the water. When all thats sorted if the weather looks reet and can get away from work & the wife for the week i'll float it back, otherwise its on the lorry.

Any recommendation on a emergency liferaft bag? I was looking at a 6man kits which seem to be just under 1k. what do other people have onboard for if the siht hits the fan.

Possibly the reason the forum has gone a little quiet on this is we don't know your experience when it comes to passage making. I don't know the area you're looking at navigating but I do know there's some hazards ie, busy ports, sandbanks and big tides that need serious consideration. Sounds a bit negative, but I wouldn't want to encourage you to make the trip without more knowledge of the area and your experience. If you were heading West from Christchurch you'd probably get more offers of assistance, I get the feeling heading East is less popular because its a lot more involved.

 

[DavidJ]

Update if anyones interested, im waiting on the owner to refit the trimtab ram thats had a new seal. Getting an insurance survey done, spoke to a guy who can do it in the next couple weeks, makes sense to get it done while its out the water. When all thats sorted if the weather looks reet and can get away from work & the wife for the week i'll float it back, otherwise its on the lorry.

Any recommendation on an emergency liferaft bag? I was looking at a 6man kits which seem to be just under 1k. what do other people have onboard for if the siht hits the fan.

I remember reading that 2 people in a 6 man liferaft is very unstable. Maybe consider a 4 man.
Look at the weight. I’ve just sold a 4 man liferaft and it weights 24 Kg.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

If this is a one-off sea voyage then I’d rent the liferaft for the duration.

 

[adhdan]

Many will say you don't need a liferaft unless doing some serious ocean crossings. I disagree and of the opinion it is better to have and not need than need and not have!

I found these folk very helpful and provided me with a unit that had just been re-certified by themselves for a very good price.

ISO Liferafts - Norwest Marine

I'll take a look thanks

Possibly the reason the forum has gone a little quiet on this is we don't know your experience when it comes to passage making. I don't know the area you're looking at navigating but I do know there's some hazards ie, busy ports, sandbanks and big tides that need serious consideration. Sounds a bit negative, but I wouldn't want to encourage you to make the trip without more knowledge of the area and your experience. If you were heading West from Christchurch you'd probably get more offers of assistance, I get the feeling heading East is less popular because its a lot more involved.

In a nutshell, none. Fast learner?

I remember reading that 2 people in a 6 man liferaft is very unstable. Maybe consider a 4 man.
Look at the weight. I’ve just sold a 4 man liferaft and it weights 24 Kg.

For family trips it would be 5 or 6 on , ~35kg for the 6man kit bag

If this is A one-off sea voyage then I’d rent the liferaft for the duration.

Id like to say the first of many more to come

 

[jon and michie]

On the liferaft front as @Sticky Fingers says rent one - if you have slight limited space it is a ball ache - I had a four man life raft and it was stored on the galley seat whilst away from the boat - when we were there had to carry it up to the cockpit area.
Ended up selling it before the boat went up for sale.
when I get my next boat the first thing I will be considering is - is there the space for a permanent one and also the cost of renting or buying and if it isnt a great deal more to rent then I may consider that route and at least it is always serviced and equipped ie pyrotechnics by the rental company.

 

[DavidJ]

For family trips it would be 5 or 6 on , ~35kg for the 6man kit bag

Can your wife lift 35kg and hurl it overboard?
Maybe it’s the subject for another thread but as a Med boater I was ok with the thought of a 4 man with others with life jackets holding onto the side but I don’t know what the norm is for UK winter boaters

 

[adhdan]

Can your wife lift 35kg and hurl it overboard?
Maybe it’s the subject for another thread but as a Med boater I was ok with the thought of a 4 man with others with life jackets holding onto the side but I don’t know what the norm is for UK winter boaters

id like to think she can, im sure a 4man will be fine + if i can find a suitable bracket i'll be carrying a tender as well

 

[adhdan]

What anodes should i fit? boat will be on freshwater almost all the time, if i had to guess id say 10days in salt a year. Is magnesium ok in salt for a few days here and there?

 

[jon and michie]

id like to think she can, im sure a 4man will be fine + if i can find a suitable bracket i'll be carrying a tender as well

A 4 man liferaft can be heavier than you think - so the question is - are you thinking cannister type or Valise (bag with handles) type ??
As I said earlier we had a valise and was a pain in the Arse moving it around a tight spaced boat (31.5 ft) when not in use for sailing
cannister I would think your planning to mount it on a bracket near a prefered deployment area therefore taking the need to lug it around out

 

[DavidJ]

What anodes should i fit? boat will be on freshwater almost all the time, if i had to guess id say 10days in salt a year. Is magnesium ok in salt for a few days here and there?

Had this conversation with Burton Waters which is fresh water. I had my boat (for sale) fitted with Mg and they said the Mg would be fine for many months in salt water.

 

[harvey38]

id like to think she can, im sure a 4man will be fine + if i can find a suitable bracket i'll be carrying a tender as well

With respect, I think your expectations of your wife carrying a 35kg liferaft are unrealistic. I'm a relatively fit, 58 year old and struggle to put our canister back in its rack at the start of each season. If I need to use it in anger, being on the stern of the boat, I can just roll it out of the cradle with minimal effort.

 

[PaulRainbow]

What anodes should i fit? boat will be on freshwater almost all the time, if i had to guess id say 10days in salt a year. Is magnesium ok in salt for a few days here and there?

Aluminium works in salt or freshwater.

 

[adhdan]

A 4 man liferaft can be heavier than you think - so the question is - are you thinking cannister type or Valise (bag with handles) type ??
As I said earlier we had a valise and was a pain in the Arse moving it around a tight spaced boat (31.5 ft) when not in use for sailing
cannister I would think your planning to mount it on a bracket near a prefered deployment area therefore taking the need to lug it around out

Not sure, i had planned on a cannister in a bracket on the stern but its a bit tight back there & i think it be in the way, getting a valise i can tuck out the way or leave at home when inland and just move it to an easy spot to grab when im not.

With respect, I think your expectations of your wife carrying a 35kg liferaft are unrealistic. I'm a relatively fit, 58 year old and struggle to put our canister back in its rack at the start of each season. If I need to use it in anger, being on the stern of the boat, I can just roll it out of the cradle with minimal effort.

you haven't met my wife