lustyd
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Admiralty print on demand.
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tillergirl
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If you about to buy an indiviudal Small Craft Chart, it is well worth checking weekly Notices to Mariners - yes I know that won't be popular - but say you want to buy POD SCC 5605.2 Dover to Calais. 1:150,000 and you buy it today and get it tomorrow, it will be out of date by 16th June because a new edition is being issued on that day (and announced in today's weekly NtM).
dunedin
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As far as I know all new printing of UKHO Small Craft Folios stopped a few months ago, when they announced their withdrawal. Many chandleries stocked up in advance, so what you see is the final copies of the old stock
dunedin
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The extra challenge for chandleries was that it was easy to stock a few folios - perhaps for 5-6 different areas, neatly packaged in an envelope and easily displayed on a custom stand. Just 5-6 stock items to manage.
The equivalent of the replacement single sheets would be perhaps 80-120 individual sheets, each separate stock items to manage - which would be a nightmare. Plus single sheets are easily damaged as flimsy paper and not packaged in the folios. Years back chandleries often had the wooden chart drawers, but mostly long gone.
So the chandleries I have spoken to have simply stopped selling UKHO paper charts, and only sell Imray.
[70521]
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Having just binned my 10 year old Small Craft Charts for that area after using them last summer I can exclusively confirm that England had not moved from its charted position off the mainland. Quite sure that the difference that a week makes is important to a non-coded vessel.
tillergirl
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Really? There speaks someone use to rocks! There are 4 yacht owners would have preferred up to date charts rather than Lifeboat call-outs. If you knew a chart was going to have a new edition in 3 weeks time, would you buy it today?
Seven Spades
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In normal circumstances old charts have been fine. However if the area you are sailing in now has windfarms installed it is just as well to get the latest editions.
I have bought Admiralty print on demand charts and I am amazed by the quality, you cannot really tell the difference. The problem I have is knowing which chart to have printed. Their website is simply awful I son't know why they can't show a globe like google earth and as you zoom in the charts and numbers are shown. The only way I can see to find what charts available is to download an excel spreadsheet and it lists 4600 different charts by description. Whereas I woudl like to zoom into an area and see what charts cover that area and buy some of an appropriate scale.
I have bought Admiralty print on demand charts and I am amazed by the quality, you cannot really tell the difference. The problem I have is knowing which chart to have printed. Their website is simply awful I son't know why they can't show a globe like google earth and as you zoom in the charts and numbers are shown. The only way I can see to find what charts available is to download an excel spreadsheet and it lists 4600 different charts by description. Whereas I woudl like to zoom into an area and see what charts cover that area and buy some of an appropriate scale.
[70521]
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I found the buoyage, windfarms' and even the ships at anchor on the East Coast, including the Thames Estuary, very impressive. Making navigation 'easy'. A calibrated depth sounder and a good set of binoculars were also useful. In mitigation the boat was moored on the Exe for many years, so do have some experience of 'dancing sandbanks'. I will admit giving the Harbour Master in Salcombe a worrying five minutes a few years back as we sneaked passed another vessel in a very narrow channel, on explaining that we were from the Exe he relaxed.
To answer your question about purchasing charts were a new edition edition is to be published in three weeks time, not especially as it can be corrected from NtMs, a purple pen and stencil. I actually enjoy doing corrections.
dunedin
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Surely if the chart you referred to is 1:150,000 it is really only for passage planning, far far to small scale for avoiding rocks
lustyd
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They didn’t announce that though, they announced an intention to do so in the future while also simultaneously launching new editions of many folios. Still available at chandleries albeit with some stock issues quite common in 2022.
tillergirl
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Please, please don't think that every change is announced in a Notice to Mariners! Many, many perhaps indeed most will be but some changes prompt a new edition instead.
Dunedin: would you prefer me to use the example of: Chart 5605.12 Chichester to Ramsgate and Calais to Oostende, Ports in France and Belgium. A France – North Coast, Calais. 1:15,000, B France – North Coast, Gravelines. 1:20,000, C France – North Coast, Dunkerque. 1:20,000, D Belgium, Nieuwpoort. 1:20,000, E Belgium, Oostende. 1:15,000 or how about others.
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dunedin
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Yes thes charts with larger scale are more relevant for pilotage and rock avoidance - unlike the previous 1:150,000 example.
The previous UKHO Small Craft Folios were very useful in this respect as they did have many proper detailed charts. Stocked up on the latest available editions before they ran out of stock.
Farmer Piles
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Quite, you can already order OS maps like that.
st599
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Plus with an online account for £20 pa, you can print any OS Map you like.
[70521]
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That is worrying! How do the big ships safely navigate in the area? Just after dawn last August One Manhattan overtook me in Black Deep, it would be a bit embarrassing had it gone aground.
Looking at your signature line you have great knowledge of the area and wonder if Crossing the Thames Estuary evolved out a set of notes that almost every navigator I know has compiled for their home sailing area?
tillergirl
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They would have a PLA Pilot, they would be monitoring the tide gauges while running in or out and the PLA surveys the DW channel to 0.1m very regularly. There have been 5 Notices to Mariners adjusting depths in the Inner Sunk and Black Deep five times already this year.
CM74
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WRT new editions containing updates that are not included in the weekly notices to mariners, this is definitely the case. There is a note somewhere in the booklet that makes this point (something along the lines of new editions containing corrections that are not possible to include in weekly notices)
Sometimes if it's too important to wait for a new edition, the information will go out as a Preliminary Notice.
It's why it's important to check the edition date of a chart and correction before applying it in case there's been a new edition issued that you've not got yet.
At work we get tracings supplied which have the edition date printed on which is a useful check
Sometimes if it's too important to wait for a new edition, the information will go out as a Preliminary Notice.
It's why it's important to check the edition date of a chart and correction before applying it in case there's been a new edition issued that you've not got yet.
At work we get tracings supplied which have the edition date printed on which is a useful check
Daydream believer
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You are biased-- I bet you get a discount ? ? ? ? ?
tillergirl
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Gosh, yes, guilty.
