Access to Marinas during Covid 19 restrictions

penberth3 said:
Simple - it's based on his own Government's Regulations and the Government guidance that goes with it.
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Instruction can be based on regulations but not on guidance. On the whole I think it is better to try to get people behind the spirit of the rules than to try to enforce the letter of them harshly - which is doomed to failure, because the letter can't cover every situation and a lot of time ends up wasted with argument, in the courts and elsewhere.
 
Yes but visitors touch gates key fobs and rail
ip485 said:
Forgive me, but why dont we grasp the concept of keeping your distance?

Why would the marina staff get anywhere near you? Do you usually engage with the marina staff? Where I am last time I went, they said fine, we are open, but the office isnt, and the marina staff will keep their distance from you.

"ALL" we are really being asked to do, is keep away from others - if you cant do that, then you shouldnt being doing whatever it is!

For one moment when it comes to the various things we thing we cant do, can I suggest, stop, think, analyse what risk you are causing yourselves, and anyone else, think are you more likely to maintain distance and not interact with anyone else?

As the article I referred said earlier, if you carry your canoe and spend most of the time on the water - could you better isolate? Ok, I know you might need to be rescued. Come on, you might need to be rescued when you fall over on the seafront, you might fall down the stairs at home, accidents happen, obvioulsy dont do anything that places you are risk.

And finally we will hear stories of people doing really stupid things - and there will be some. Have you heard of a good story? Have you heard that a few of these are a good thing to make people think? I am only suggesting, as I said earlier, on a forum of intelligent people we can do better.
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Maybe it's people who think they can do whatever they like are the problem.
 
ip485 said:
Forgive me, but why dont we grasp the concept of keeping your distance?
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Why don't you and the flying goose grasp the concept of the law ?

Why don't you grasp the concept of STAY AT HOME ?

Let's all decide if we need to adhere to the law, shall we ?

The roads are quiet, it's late, it's a nice straight dual carriageway, it won't hut if i do 100MPH.

The supermarket has got plenty of money, won't hurt if i don't pay for my shopping.

That bloke is a cock, i'll be doing everyone a favour if i kick him in the nuts.

Hmmm, not going t work, is it.
 
And for some uplifting news from Scotland , rather than the headbanging on here and worrying about the few out of the millions that are complying

Head of Police Scotland
The level of cooperation and support from the public in terms of social distancing has been vast, overwhelming," he said. "Everybody is stepping up and doing their duty."
"We must maintain the discipline we've seen so far," he added. "It's the key thing to stop the spread of the virus

National Clinical Director Jason Leitch thanked Police Scotland for encouraging members of the public to comply with the regulations.
"I would remind everyone that if you do have to leave your house for any of the essential reasons - food, medicine, care, exercise or work, and you absolutely cannot do them at home - then please stay two metres away from people you don't live with, and keep human contact as limited as possible,"

Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf
said he was hugely encouraged by the high levels of compliance with advice to stay at home as much as possible.
While Police Scotland have powers of enforcement, I expect that these will be used only as a last resort, and that the vast majority of people will use their common sense and play a full part in this country-wide effort.

Police issue 144 fines during virus lockdown
 
PaulRainbow said:
Why don't you and the flying goose grasp the concept of the law ?

Why don't you grasp the concept of STAY AT HOME ?

Let's all decide if we need to adhere to the law, shall we ?

The roads are quiet, it's late, it's a nice straight dual carriageway, it won't hut if i do 100MPH.

The supermarket has got plenty of money, won't hurt if i don't pay for my shopping.

That bloke is a cock, i'll be doing everyone a favour if i kick him in the nuts.

Hmmm, not going t work, is it.
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There is no law it is based on the main guidelines that say nothing about staying at home , why can you not get that ,
 
ip485 said:
Forgive me, but why dont we grasp the concept of keeping your distance?

Why would the marina staff get anywhere near you? Do you usually engage with the marina staff? Where I am last time I went, they said fine, we are open, but the office isnt, and the marina staff will keep their distance from you.

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as I said earlier, on a forum of intelligent people we can do better.
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I despair.

How are the marina staff getting to work? Do they fly in or do some of them have to take the bus or train? Who's going to drive the bus?

What facilities do they have to share? Where can they eat their lunch?

Is there anywhere they can go for a poo?

So the cleaner has to come in as well?

All so that YOU can sand the bottom of your boat?


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FlyingGoose said:
And for some uplifting news from Scotland , rather than the headbanging on here and worrying about the few out of the millions that are complying

Head of Police Scotland
The level of cooperation and support from the public in terms of social distancing has been vast, overwhelming," he said. "Everybody is stepping up and doing their duty."
"We must maintain the discipline we've seen so far," he added. "It's the key thing to stop the spread of the virus

National Clinical Director Jason Leitch thanked Police Scotland for encouraging members of the public to comply with the regulations.
"I would remind everyone that if you do have to leave your house for any of the essential reasons - food, medicine, care, exercise or work, and you absolutely cannot do them at home - then please stay two metres away from people you don't live with, and keep human contact as limited as possible,"

Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf
said he was hugely encouraged by the high levels of compliance with advice to stay at home as much as possible.
While Police Scotland have powers of enforcement, I expect that these will be used only as a last resort, and that the vast majority of people will use their common sense and play a full part in this country-wide effort.

Police issue 144 fines during virus lockdown
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Do you actually read the drivel you type on here ?

I've highlighted a few parts for you to pay special attention to. Additionally, the article you link to on the BBC site is in regsrd to the fines that have been handed out in Scotland, hardly supports the ridiculous assertion in the thread that driving to the marina to fix your boat is acceptable.
 
ip485 said:
Please lets stop obsessing about the law - most of us are not lawyers, and most have very little idea how to interpret the law.

The Act says; "(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—
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The law has managed with "reasonable" in many instances for a long time.

Would you like to define "reasonable force" in the context of the law, or would you prefer to manage without it?

Let's just follow the law eh?

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Insults are not becoming try and have a discussion and not insults makes you look weak
Were are your references or do we believe you because the Rainbow says so, I will try again

The regulations contain more detail on movement restrictions and exemptions – or ‘reasonable excuses’ - than the prime minister’s statement. Notably, they do not include restrictions on the number of times an individual can undertake the exemptions (‘reasonable excuses’).
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When am I allowed to leave the house?
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

  • shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible
  • one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household
  • any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person
  • travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home
Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do
 
FlyingGoose said:
Do you or do you need a lessons on the law
Can you post the specific phrase were people are not allowed out please jjust one line do not post the link we need the actually words please
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The government has never said you are not allowed to go out.

Just that you must go out only with a reasonable excuse.

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It's quite clear, i posted the document.

I didn't say a person could not go out, neither do the new regulations. It requires everyone to stay at home, except for particular reasons, none of which involve a trip to the marina to perform routine maintenance on a boat.
 
shaunksb said:
The government has never said you are not allowed to go out.

Just that you must go out only with a reasonable excuse.

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I have never said otherwise , it is one of these threads that get so mingled and muddled we all forget what were arguing about , and are all saying the same thing. but there are some on here that Stay at home means lock yourself in your house, which is not the guidelines, and that the legislation has many meanings and it is a court to decide, the meaning , but this forum. that is all ,,,, were all agreeing to agree
the lunatics have left the asylum
 
shaunksb said:
I despair.

How are the marina staff getting to work? Do they fly in or do some of them have to take the bus or train? Who's going to drive the bus?

What facilities do they have to share? Where can they eat their lunch?

Is there anywhere they can go for a poo?

So the cleaner has to come in as well?

All so that YOU can sand the bottom of your boat?
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They are there anyway - to look after the boats - all the ones I know.

They dont. The marina's owners have set the rules, just like every other responsible employer.

See above.

See above.

If the marinas didnt have a skelton crew a boat could catch fire, sink, whatever, and the emergency services be deployed when they have better things to do.

Really this is desperate.

PaulRainbow - do you believe you understand the Law, and have you read my posts that deal with the legal aspects and the construct of the Law. If you have by all means PM me if you are really interested, and I would be very happy to debate the application with you in fine detail and see if we can reach an agreement. I dont mean that to sound pompous - it is a genuine offer, as you keep saying the same thing, referring to the same legislation and if you do understand the Law I am genuinely interested of the legal basis on which you derive the conclusions you have. Have a read of my post 256 - which rather than simply say you are wrong, explains the legal position as I believe it to be.

There was no mention in the Government advice about driving a short distance to take a walk. The Police were telling people it was against the Law. It never was, and still isnt. The Government are now on record that it is fine to do so. I gie this as an example that the list ins not prescriptive in terms of what can or cannot be enforced - not that as I said we should continue this obsession of yours with what the Law says - rather we should be obsessed with what we are trying to achieve and how we best do that.
 
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PaulRainbow said:
It's quite clear, i posted the document.

I didn't say a person could not go out, neither do the new regulations. It requires everyone to stay at home, except for particular reasons, none of which involve a trip to the marina to perform routine maintenance on a boat.
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This will be decided by a court if it was to go there, not the police or this forum , the police and the government are not the law the courts interprete the law with the circumstances and reasons involved , it does not matter what we think . this is not the court of opinion based on fear and lack of knowledge, so no one is right on this thread until a court decides the law,

hence one needs to think why was the lady who got a court fine got it thrown out , because I wonder if she was going to appeal to a higher court were the law may be opened up to ridicule (opinion only , we are still allowed that)
 
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