Access to Marinas during Covid 19 restrictions

shaunksb said:
Ok, you got me on the hosepipe, I know we all have to bring our own.

But what’s that thingie you attach it too, THE TAP!!

Are you seriously suggesting you bring your own tap with you too?
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Seriously?

What do you do when you go to work - or dont you? Do you know how many key people are keeping the country running?

What do you do when you get petrol? Or dont you?

What do you do when a delivery comes to your door and leaves it in the porch? Perhaps you dont have deliveries?

What do you do when you open a gate on a walk?

Perhaps you stay in the house, never go out? Fine, if that is your decision, but you will not last long without the help of those who are interested in the future to help those who really need to isolate for a long time to remain safe.

Sorry, I cant take your post serioulsy - forgive me.
 
MartynG said:
I guess if everyone refused to pay moorings or other fees during the lockdown period then some marinas would go out of business. Would that be a good outcome?
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Terrible result.

However, you will find, rightly or wrongly, the longer people are required to stay away, the more that will not pay, and concurrently (and not becasue of) the more that will not be able to pay.

Anyone in businesses already knows the consequence. People already cannot pay their bills. It is very simple - no money coming in, and you cant pay, even if you want to. Eventually the economy collapes - a worse depression than ever known, savings gone so those who think they are safe, think again. Of course the Governemnt knows this, and it will not happen, (at least to the extent possible), but you would think some havent realised.

Do some of you appreciate the earliest employers will see their wage bills from the Government is end June - and I suspect that is if they are lucky. Accountants to process the claims, all of who will be overworked and having to get into their offices. Do you appreciate that many business struggle to cover their wage bill for one month with money coming in? I wonder whether some of us live in a bubble. These are realities just as much as the terrible loss of life.

We need to plan for the future, not start planning in a months time.
 
shaunksb said:
I just follow the guidelines like we all should.

Simples.
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Yes, so you do, you have told the forum a dozen times.

I look beyond the guidelines to the future, and I havent said that yet as many times.

I recall an old saying about those born to follw, and those that look to the future. There is nothing wrong being a follower, it just so happens that isnt me.
 
MartynG said:
I guess if everyone refused to pay moorings or other fees during the lockdown period then some marinas would go out of business. Would that be a good outcome?
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The business discussion isn't "the marina would go out of business" but "in a distressed environment, should customers, employees or investors carry the can?"

In practice, many customers will be challenged to pay their bills at all. Marinas will have to review their business models. Creditors may find themselves in a position to send the marina bust...but will then need to find new operators, who will have to face an equally challenging environment.

Practically, this means it's entirely reasonable to start conversations about reducing fees given erosion or removal of service. Harbour moorings at favourable rates with a waiting list may be able to play a harder ball.
 
shaunksb said:
All this time I’ve been thinking you haven’t really got this and the you come out with a work of genius like this.

One hour slots to check on your boat.

This has got legs.

What about one hour slots for the pub? That’d do me.

Or if we all sat on every ninth seat we could all have 10 minutes at the footie.

Oh yes, even the bookies would be back in play.

You were right about a boating forum being full of intelligent people.

All that would take to work would be to ensure that no one already had the virus and left it on the doors/gates/locks/handrails/keypads/hosepipes or the pulpits of those boats who’s owners always park them sticking out across the pontoon.

I do hope you have put all that in the letter.

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not such a work of genius me thinks
 
ip485 said:
Yes, so you do, you have told the forum a dozen times.

I look beyond the guidelines to the future, and I havent said that yet as many times.

I recall an old saying about those born to follw, and those that look to the future. There is nothing wrong being a follower, it just so happens that isnt me.
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You are Donald Trump and I claim my £5.

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Sorry Cherod - I am totally confused who really thinks what, or who is just enjoying a wind up! I also have trouble following the one liners from some, who add nothing to justify their opinion or offer another solution - other than follow the rules - which is an opinion, but I think we only need to be told once, because that opinion doesnt change.

I dont very often spend time here or on forum generally and now I know why. I dont mind what opinion anyone holds, but I amoungst intelligent skippers there would be some willingness to justify opinions, and discuss the future.

Perhaps I am just winding everyone up, and no one really wants to have a mature discussion? I would prefer if you said so, or left the debate, so at least I knew and could find something better to do.
 
RJJ said:
In practice, many customers will be challenged to pay their bills at all. Marinas will have to review their business models.
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I do think its entirely possible wages could be cut by, say, 20% or some other significant percentage , sooner rather than later. Many who have been furloughed and others may well face redundancy at the end of June unless there is some kind or return to normality.
Businesses such as marina may well need to reduce their charges which is possible as their wage bill will also fall.
 
ip485 said:
Sorry Cherod - I am totally confused who really thinks what, or who is just enjoying a wind up! I also have trouble following the one liners from some, who add nothing to justify their opinion or offer another solution - other than follow the rules - which is an opinion, but I think we only need to be told once, because that opinion doesnt change.

I dont very often spend time here or on forum generally and now I know why. I dont mind what opinion anyone holds, but I amoungst intelligent skippers there would be some willingness to justify opinions, and discuss the future.

Perhaps I am just winding everyone up, and no one really wants to have a mature discussion? I would prefer if you said so, or left the debate, so at least I knew and could find something better to do.
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i think you are quite rite in that we should not wait until the future is upon us but make some coordinated plan for it ,, other than that what a mass plan is i dont know , i have my own set of circumstances which i am sure are fairly unusual and dont even start to comprehend everyone elses ,,, so i will exit and wish you luck chipping away at the wall,,, bfn.
 
We need a coordinated plan but some of the daft suggestions here illustrate that it’s not us that should be coming up with the plan.

We have a simple plan now, it has to be simple to work but that still doesn’t stop scores of posts about how people can interpret or amend the plan so then can do things to suit themselves without thinking through the consequences.

Let the experts come up with the plans and then do your bit to implement them.

Thats the best way to minimise the deaths.

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You are assuming that no one here is an expert of any sort.

You are also assuming that the employed experts know the answers. I am guessing you were not one of those many that were derisory of the Government's last set of experts, and the ones before those, with regard to other matters.

You are also assuming there is one opinion. The world's experts disagree. Take a look at Sweden's approach. It is very different. It may not prove the best approach, but their experts think it is.

We are all experts in our way - we can all use our eyes, and contribute. I am certainly not boasting, but before the Government completely changed their view on the use of cars I publically stated the policy was wrong. I did so because I thought it was obvious what was happening and still is. The Government have changed their advice BUT the message is still not clear to many.

I have sat on my boat at different marinas for many many hours and watched what take splace, Beautiful hot sunny days. mid summer, rainy days mid winter. I know what happens. I base my views on what I have seen. I can tell you at my marina how many people on my pontoon come to their boats with any regularity, and which ones. I can tell you pretty accuratley what percentage leave the marina. Not nosey, just the obvious that it is difficult to miss.

Was it you point about taps? Good point. What is difficult about a notice on the entrance to each pontoon - do not touch the taps, no not touch any part of your boat it is likely someone else could have touched, wash your hands. You rightly think people can follow the Government's advice (which is more complicated and much more confused) so I am guessing most owners would grasp a set of simple instructions and if they couldnt - well they are doing plenty wrong without even being near a boat.

The best way to minimise deaths is to UNDERSTAND what has been asked of us and WHY - not to blindly follow rules that will place you and me at more risk than you realise. Even the BBC has got around to saying far to many people having to get far too close because they think they must walk from home.
 
ip485 said:
You are assuming that no one here is an expert of any sort.

You are also assuming that the employed experts know the answers. I am guessing you were not one of those many that were derisory of the Government's last set of experts, and the ones before those, with regard to other matters.

You are also assuming there is one opinion. The world's experts disagree. Take a look at Sweden's approach. It is very different. It may not prove the best approach, but their experts think it is.

We are all experts in our way - we can all use our eyes, and contribute. I am certainly not boasting, but before the Government completely changed their view on the use of cars I publically stated the policy was wrong. I did so because I thought it was obvious what was happening and still is. The Government have changed their advice BUT the message is still not clear to many.

I have sat on my boat at different marinas for many many hours and watched what take splace, Beautiful hot sunny days. mid summer, rainy days mid winter. I know what happens. I base my views on what I have seen. I can tell you at my marina how many people on my pontoon come to their boats with any regularity, and which ones. I can tell you pretty accuratley what percentage leave the marina. Not nosey, just the obvious that it is difficult to miss.

Was it you point about taps? Good point. What is difficult about a notice on the entrance to each pontoon - do not touch the taps, no not touch any part of your boat it is likely someone else could have touched, wash your hands. You rightly think people can follow the Government's advice (which is more complicated and much more confused) so I am guessing most owners would grasp a set of simple instructions and if they couldnt - well they are doing plenty wrong without even being near a boat.

The best way to minimise deaths is to UNDERSTAND what has been asked of us and WHY - not to blindly follow rules that will place you and me at more risk than you realise. Even the BBC has got around to saying far to many people having to get far too close because they think they must walk from home.
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Coa Coa time?
 
MartynG said:
I guess if everyone refused to pay moorings or other fees during the lockdown period then some marinas would go out of business. Would that be a good outcome?
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If my boat was on the mooring, I would happily pay for it, regardless of whether I could travel to it or not. If the mooring was available for my use, but I was unable to put the boat on it, I would equally happily pay for it. However ... when you have written, prior to the start fo the contract telling me it is unavailable, and then still expect to be paid for it ... that's taking the biscuit.

I suppose I could pay them with the imaginary money I haven't received from my customers this month? Perhaps I could get my customers to pay me for goods I can;t supply, then I could pay the harbour master for the service he can't provide?
 
rszemeti said:
I suppose I could pay them with the imaginary money I haven't received from my customers this month? Perhaps I could get my customers to pay me for goods I can;t supply, then I could pay the harbour master for the service he can't provide?
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How true, Kev Bridges couldn't put it any better!

 
rszemeti said:
If my boat was on the mooring, I would happily pay for it, regardless of whether I could travel to it or not.
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They are inviting you to renew your contract . You could give up your mooring and owe nothing.
You could remove your boat from the harbour - assuming it is ashore within the harbour boundary - and owe no fees.
 
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