Abusive Broker Jeroen Korthuis Astra Mare Yachtbrokers

The broker works for the seller. If the seller is happy with him then it doesn't matter two hoots what potential buyers think.
I remember trying to sell a house once and the estate agent kept bugging me with stupid offers and sob stories from a woman who "loved the house" but couldn't afford it. Eventually I told the agent to tell her to **** off because it was obvious she just wouldn't take a polite "no" for an answer! Maybe this broker has had the same instruction.
 
Coaster said:
I must confess that I find the OP's posts rather unpleasant. However, to be fair, I wonder if there is a problem of language and culture?

Some of the OP's phraseology suggests he is not British. I gather that some British characteristics, such as queueing patiently and a sense of fair play, are viewed from abroad with bewilderment.

Perhaps we should regard the OP's contibutions with compassion.

Or maybe he's just an objectionable bugger.
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Well spotted. You have just shown an intelegence well above the average on this forum.
Truth is I am not a brit and dont understand them(though winding them up is fun)
and I am objectionable.

Though I prefer to leave the Bu@#**ring to the English. They have such a rich history of it.

I suspect my vilification is a result of my not asking permision to speak from the forum chieftans. I didnt cowtow enough to their venerable wisdom. I am therefore guilty of a most heinous crime. That of lack of respect, for the ramblings of people who spend far more time on forums than actualy sailing. Though with the British weather its hardly surprising so for that i must forgive them.

You know, I dont believe that fellow Guapa actualy tells people to F@#$K off if they offer too low. I think he just said that to act tough on the forum. (sad really).
In truth he is probably a mid 40's overweight footy fan whos last fight was thirty years ago...and she stopped the fight when he started crying.

A good deal is when the buyer walks away knowing he would have paid more and the seller walks away knowing he would have taken less. It is as simple as that.
Its been fun folks. And please...stop calling "Londons Pride" good. Its embarrasing.
 
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xyachtdave said:
Ahem.....
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Fair comment:o

Ona lighter note. The owner of the said vessel has contacted me to drop the price. within a few k of my offer.
Anybody like to comment further that I offered too low? I think this is whats called... Negotiation.

And yes. Its not real life on here folks. You will find me pleasant in the real world. I have learned some social skills. Enough to keep my mouth shut most of the time. However my two typing fingers did not get the memo.
 
@#$% boats said:
The owner of the said vessel has contacted me to drop the price. within a few k of my offer.
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If a broker has failed to put your offer forward to the seller then I have no qualms in putting forward the offer direct to the seller.
In other words the broker has removed themselves from the negotiations. As a consequence a saving on the brokerage fees by dealing directly could be a win win except for the broker.
Whilst some may scorn me for saying so, you yourself do not have a contract with the broker, it is for the seller to wrestle with their morals.
 
I wonder if the OP would have had a better reaction from a forum of boat owners if he had posted that boats are all undervalued at present and he would gladly pay 10% or 15% more than the asking price?

I am sure you would all have been patting him on his back and telling him what an intelligent individual he is and welcome to post on here anytime. ;)
 
lovezoo said:
I wonder if the OP would have had a better reaction from a forum of boat owners if he had posted that boats are all undervalued at present and he would gladly pay 10% or 15% more than the asking price?

I am sure you would all have been patting him on his back and telling him what an intelligent individual he is and welcome to post on here anytime. ;)
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LOL +1

this guy is a thinker
 
The OP is now finding that with a less prickly approach, other folk respond with a similar lack of prickle. My dearly beloved American SWMBO has still not quite got that one cracked, despite 24 years of indoctrination.
 
Robin said:
The OP is now finding that with a less prickly approach, other folk respond with a similar lack of prickle. My dearly beloved American SWMBO has still not quite got that one cracked, despite 24 years of indoctrination.
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I know exactly where you are coming from. American SWMBO. 25th anniversary this year.
 
Robin said:
The OP is now finding that with a less prickly approach, other folk respond with a similar lack of prickle. My dearly beloved American SWMBO has still not quite got that one cracked, despite 24 years of indoctrination.
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I can assure you I am not a yank. And my prickliness is a direct to the reaction the prickliness I got from the forum Elders

After 24 years in the UK your SWMBO deserves a medal. The brit culture is a hard one to crack. It is hard to assimilate while still thinking normaly. Perhaps your SWMBO is still thinking. Thats why she cant assimilate properly. :-)
 
What about a team building exercise on the new bargain boat??

It would be nice to have a 'Happy Ending'.....maybe invite the broker too! Group hugs all round.
 
@#$% boats said:
I can assure you I am not a yank. And my prickliness is a direct to the reaction the prickliness I got from the forum Elders

After 24 years in the UK your SWMBO deserves a medal. The brit culture is a hard one to crack. It is hard to assimilate while still thinking normaly. Perhaps your SWMBO is still thinking. Thats why she cant assimilate properly. :-)
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I didn't mean to imply you were an American, because whilst they can be prickly they are definitely not prickles.:)

Another bit of Brit humour from an elderly person.:)
 
I also recently submitted an offer to Joern 30,000 euro on a 39,000 euro priced boat, I got this reply

Sorry Alan,
This is far from being acceptable!
If your budget gets more realistic I will be more than happy to help you!
With kind regards,
Jeroen Korthuis

Perfectly polite IMO, we exchanged a few more emails but at the end of the day, my valuation and his valuation are still too far apart, neither of us is wrong

Although I maybe don’t agree with the original posters every word (he does come across as slightly abrasive) I do agree that low offers in the current climate are not unreasonable, I have been in the market for a boat for a few months and have made several low offers, (1) £16000 for £25500 priced boat accepted, I viewed but the boat turned out not to suitable (2) 25,000 euro for a £37500 euro boat which I am viewing this weekend so fingers crossed. I also had a 28k offer refused on 30k boat so I guess it really depends on the boat

I had did submit an offer for a boat on boatshed which in my opinion was well over priced, I qualified my offer by explaining why it was so low and giving some examples, the 1st reply was perfectly polite and the broker agreed I had some valid points, however 1 of his colleagues took it upon himself to convey the owners sentiments with obvious delight in an email later that day which contained several profanities, this is completely unacceptable from a broker and was as such I forwarded the message to the MD of boatshed, I received an excellent apology

Straight talking negotiations are fine, insults are not
 
You earlier said your offer was within 10% of the asking price, which is not an unrealistic offer and I am surprised any broker responded in the way you described. The vendor has now dropped the price to within a few thousand of your offer, so am assuming boat was on sale for £200,000 plus.
Seems perfectly legitimate to put in a low offer, I did, some were rejected, one was accepted. But never had any hassle with those offers that were not just a polite no, which is the right of the seller/broker to do.
 
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