tomdmx
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I'd have to agree, one's reputation can be easily tainted but anyone with any 'nouse will know that there are always to sides to every argument...even mine I'm sure
Abusive Broker Jeroen Korthuis Astra Mare Yachtbrokers
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I'd have to agree, one's reputation can be easily tainted but anyone with any 'nouse will know that there are always to sides to every argument...even mine I'm sure
theoldsalt
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I know that brokers represent the vendor but a freindly and helpful attitude to the potential buyer is always best.
My experience with my current boat purchased through a well known international broker was to be welcomed into the office with something like...."he won't take an offer below the asking price as he has already bought another boat and is in no hurry to sell..." That approach does tend to put one off but needless to say I did proceed and a low offer was accepted.
As a buyer, start with a low offer and you can always negotiate the price up. I have never heard a vendor say "I can't accept your offer, it is too high"
Try to see past the attitude of the broker if it is really the boat you want.
My experience with my current boat purchased through a well known international broker was to be welcomed into the office with something like...."he won't take an offer below the asking price as he has already bought another boat and is in no hurry to sell..." That approach does tend to put one off but needless to say I did proceed and a low offer was accepted.
As a buyer, start with a low offer and you can always negotiate the price up. I have never heard a vendor say "I can't accept your offer, it is too high"
Try to see past the attitude of the broker if it is really the boat you want.
SHUG
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Hey @#$% boats.....you have to be able to take a bit of rough and tumble without becoming a bleeding heart on a Forum. There are nice people there are nasty people, nice brokers...etc. Take it as it comes and deal with it!!!
grumpygit
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I would say a broker should be obliged to pass on any offer that has been made no matter how silly the figure is. This avoids any misunderstandings down the line.
I had a similar issue, I made the bid and was told it was far to low but 3 months later they came back to me and said they would accept! Too late though, we had already made another purchase.
As for brokers, I don't hold much respect for them, we had an Italian broker acting for the owner of the yacht and often with our dealings I could have gladly kicked his arus up the smallest skin fitting I could find. Imo they work for the greatest commission rather than the sale for their client. It was a hard and frustating time, but we got there in the end and often I felt as though I was jumping through hoops to part with a deal of money.
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I had a similar issue, I made the bid and was told it was far to low but 3 months later they came back to me and said they would accept! Too late though, we had already made another purchase.
As for brokers, I don't hold much respect for them, we had an Italian broker acting for the owner of the yacht and often with our dealings I could have gladly kicked his arus up the smallest skin fitting I could find. Imo they work for the greatest commission rather than the sale for their client. It was a hard and frustating time, but we got there in the end and often I felt as though I was jumping through hoops to part with a deal of money.
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Flying Penguin
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We only have one side of the story here, but surely it's best we know who the ****s are so we can avoid dealing with them?
A broker-client or broker-prospective purchaser is a professional one, so there shouldn't be a need to don your flameproof Lounge pants.....
xyachtdave
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Can we have some £ figures please?
Let's use the example of advertised £100k yacht, in good order and priced sensibly.
Punter OP appears, views and offers £50k because the market is a bit slack.
Curt response to offer received, I get that, but not enough for a 'YBW character assignation' yet surely!
Obviously if the offer started with 9 and had 5 digits you would be right to push passing I on to the owner, if lower than a 7 I can understand the situation.
Let's use the example of advertised £100k yacht, in good order and priced sensibly.
Punter OP appears, views and offers £50k because the market is a bit slack.
Curt response to offer received, I get that, but not enough for a 'YBW character assignation' yet surely!
Obviously if the offer started with 9 and had 5 digits you would be right to push passing I on to the owner, if lower than a 7 I can understand the situation.
Joker
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Hm. I've also been told to ***** *ff by the Dutch agent of a certain brand of yachts.
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snooks
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If you go around with that attitude, it sounds like you are getting the service you deserve in my opinion.
Not all brokers are the same, so there is no need to be rude with your generalisations
jimi
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My experience with the dutch is that they call a spade a spade and are generally straightforward people to deal with. My English colleagues think they are rude, as a scot I tend to find myself on the same wavelength as the dutch, probably a culture thing.
westernman
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All three brokers I was involved with while looking for my current boat were very professional, helpful and useful. I saw a lot of beautiful boats from all three and ended up buying one. I would not hesitate to use any of them again for buying and/or selling.
jonic
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Abusive generalisations don't really help.
Two sides to every coin.
I would add that there are some pretty unpleasant "buyers" around at the moment who can't understand why their frankly insulting offers are being turned down and the boat then sells at a much higher level.
Its only a small minority but they are genuinely shocked when the current owner doesn't subsidise their boating for them....and then they get abusive!!
Most on the whole are straight forward and reasonable but there has been a bit of an uptick in rudeness and unpleasantness.
Two sides to every coin.
I would add that there are some pretty unpleasant "buyers" around at the moment who can't understand why their frankly insulting offers are being turned down and the boat then sells at a much higher level.
Its only a small minority but they are genuinely shocked when the current owner doesn't subsidise their boating for them....and then they get abusive!!
Most on the whole are straight forward and reasonable but there has been a bit of an uptick in rudeness and unpleasantness.
Koeketiene
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Buying and selling a boat is often emotional.
What may seem very reasonable to one party, can be considered insulting to another.
We sold our previous boat privately.
Within weeks we had an offer - just over half of the asking price.
I turned this down.
Potential buyer asked if there was room for negotiation.
I replied that there was, but not for piss-taking and that I was looking for something much closer to the asking price.
Reply: For what you're asking I can nearly buy a new Bavaria.
And as far as I was concerned, that was the end of the negotiation.
He later contacted the wife with an improved offer and she had great difficulty in explaining that I would not sell to him no matter what.
rotrax
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Dead on. I complemented a Dutch guy on his command of English once. He said " Do you know why most Dutch people speak English? Its because our own language is so f*****g appalling!" I imagine he is right..............
Robin
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We sold our last two boats through a south coast broker, the same company but 10 years apart and different people, but nevertheless excellent both times.
We bought our latest boat in the USA through a broker, starting off at 4,000mls range via emails and phone and we had dealings with three others, of those four three more were excellent and did their sellers proud, the other was a total waste of space altogether. The sellers broker we finally bought from was really excellent which made our whole buying experience a pleasure. We ended up with a deal that everyone was happy with and actually made some new friends in the process. SWMBO went off shopping and sight seeing with the broker's wife one day whilst we (me, surveyor and owner) were crawling through confined spaces with torches and a camera. Then a few days after we had finally signed up to buy we all went out to dinner together.
I have spoken with a number of people in the last year or so who seem to think anyone selling is so desperate that they will take any silly offer put forward. Maybe there are some in that situation but then there are just as many who don't want to listen to someone slagging off their pride and joy as something only and idiot would buy, followed by making a derisory offer to buy.
We are house selling at present and were approached by Mr Low Offer. In this case he was quite open about it and explained that was what he did for a living, he bought properties for cash to hold, maybe do a bit of work on and then sell on at a better price later. I have no objection to that at all. What I did object to is the stupid woman who offered half the asking price and considerably less than Mr Low Offer man's considered figure on which he knew he could make a good profit. That woman wasted an afternoon of our time, seriously peed off SWMBO and I think also earned herself a warning flag at the estate agents who were embarrassed that they had brought her to view.
We bought our latest boat in the USA through a broker, starting off at 4,000mls range via emails and phone and we had dealings with three others, of those four three more were excellent and did their sellers proud, the other was a total waste of space altogether. The sellers broker we finally bought from was really excellent which made our whole buying experience a pleasure. We ended up with a deal that everyone was happy with and actually made some new friends in the process. SWMBO went off shopping and sight seeing with the broker's wife one day whilst we (me, surveyor and owner) were crawling through confined spaces with torches and a camera. Then a few days after we had finally signed up to buy we all went out to dinner together.
I have spoken with a number of people in the last year or so who seem to think anyone selling is so desperate that they will take any silly offer put forward. Maybe there are some in that situation but then there are just as many who don't want to listen to someone slagging off their pride and joy as something only and idiot would buy, followed by making a derisory offer to buy.
We are house selling at present and were approached by Mr Low Offer. In this case he was quite open about it and explained that was what he did for a living, he bought properties for cash to hold, maybe do a bit of work on and then sell on at a better price later. I have no objection to that at all. What I did object to is the stupid woman who offered half the asking price and considerably less than Mr Low Offer man's considered figure on which he knew he could make a good profit. That woman wasted an afternoon of our time, seriously peed off SWMBO and I think also earned herself a warning flag at the estate agents who were embarrassed that they had brought her to view.
snooks
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Wandering Star
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My wife is 100% Irish and I love her for her nice tits. I don't mind if she tells the odd fib.My wife is half Dutch and half Scottish and I love her and her honesty.
Cheers, Brian.
jonic
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jonic
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I've seen that a few times.
Bidding low on a house that "went up" on paper and is then back at reasonable level via the low bid is one thing, as it probably hasn't cost the seller any real money.
But bidding stupidly low, and below the current market value, on a boat that has been going down since the day it was purchased and has cost the seller real hard earned cash is just going to pi££ him off.
People become entrenched over having to get a deal. I had a lovely boat for sale recently in the mid £70k's. It was like new and a good deal. We had an offer within 5% of the asking price and the owner threw in a few extras. Then the buyer decided it was a buyers market and at the last minute dropped his offer by £2,500, he became very rude and bolshy and said essentially take it or leave it. (He knew the owners berthing contract was up and he was leaving the UK to go overseas.) So the the owner said leave it. The buyer was literally flabbergasted and the owner then refused to sell to him. The owner went overseas and I sold the boat for him three weeks later to a new buyer for £5k more who was delighted.
Supine Being
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Do you think that your general lack of regard for brokers might have reflected in your tone during negotiations? Do you get this a lot?
I don't know about anyone else, but when someone creates an ID on here with the express purpose of rubbishing someone else, I find it a little irksome. Especially when, as far as I can see, all that you have lost is the time it took to send a half-baked offer by email.
