A Volvo 2003T saga

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Yes, it certainly has been a saga with our Volvo 2003T!

We finally put the boat back in the water a few weeks ago after a year ashore. Had started the engine briefly a couple of times just before putting her in.
Then we found various problems, firstly with battery connections, then alternator not charging, then air getting into the system - found a crack in the fuel hose in way of the crimped on banjo fitting on the fuel lift pump, so got a new fuel hose made up. That seemed to do the trick.
Ran the engine for a bit, got the oil nice and warm, changed oil and filter.
This was while alongside the dock by the haul out yard. Plan was to sail up the coast the next day, back to our mooring.
Started up engine next day, ran for a few minutes, then 'Kerlunk'.
Ooops, that sounds ominous.
We were thinking maybe something had happened at the top of the engine. Took the head off, nothing untoward, but middle piston not moving.
Then had a look at the port side of the engine - I dunno how we didnt see this before - and this was what we found :

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Oh dear. Look like we need a new engine. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I am a bit baffled - it hadnt 'hydraulicked', there wasn't any water in the oil that was changed, it had run happily a few times before.
And although the engine is now 17 years old, I doubt it has 1,000 hours on it. Lack of use probably just as bad or worse than too much use (?).

So I started asking around - found a Volvo 2003T that came out of one of the day charter sailing catamarans here last year when they re-engined to a pair of Yanmars. Photo below.

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It was 14 years old when it came out, and probably has about 7,000 hours on it, perhaps more. The owners want approx GBP 800 for it including various bits, which seems a wee bit steep to me, but they are not budging.
And I have been told that if we did get this engine, it would be a good idea to re-build it before putting in the boat, hence that would be a fair bit more expense.

Does anybody know of any Volvo 2003 engines that have been reconditioned (ideally with some sort of warranty) and are for sale?

If no go on the Volvo front, then we are thinking about 'biting the bullet' and getting a new engine - I think it would be worthwhile in the long run. The Beta 28 hp seems to be a nice engine, and that would be plenty enough power for us - the standard Volvo 2003 is 29 hp, and we never needed the alleged 41 hp from the 2003T.
More about the Beta here at http://www.betamarine.co.uk/Templates/sea_going.html
And another nice aspect about the Beta is that the width of the mount bolts is the same as the Volvo (410 mm) so we only have to worry about the (not very large) changes re the longitudinal and vertical dimensions.

This is the space the engine came out of :

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I took lots of dimensions off the engine beds yesterday, and am now going to draw it out on paper and see how the Volvo and Beta dimensions compare - we might find that we need to go for the shallow sump option on the Beta if we do decide to buy one.
Freight from England is easy - just put it on a Geest ship in Portsmouth, and it is here 10 days later - however Customs will then probably want to charge 40% in compounded duties..... have to do some research here first....

What are your thoughts? All opinions gratefully received!
 
We haven't taken it down any further yet - must do so soon, and try to find out what actually happened - it looks like the con rod went through the block. Maybe it broke, or the pin connecting to the piston failed, or.... ??
 
After saga with a knackered Volvo 2003 and a "reconditioned" 2003T, that had no compression, coupled with a serious lack of fore'n'aft space in the engine bay; I repowered with a Westerbeke 35D Three coupled to a PRM 150 box.

This arrangement enabled me to retain the left hand prop. Essential in my boat's case as she's got an offset P bracket. Also, as I'm planning on some long distance cruising, the American work ethic appealed. "Yes sir, I'll Fedex the thurble gribley to you today, and it'll be with you tomorrow pm." Not "Non, ze factory, is ferme for August".....

The Westerbeke is based on a Mitsubishi block. Silky smooth, but sounds roughty-toughty, like a bus. 180 hrs so far and delighted.
 
You may still have some problems with the propellor pitch/dia for any replacement,so check the gearbox ratio of the new compared to the old, then calculate the new figure using Propcalc. A Beta sounds a good option otherwise.
 
I wouldn't go with another 2003T - mine gave repeated problems despite an extensive rebuild. The turbo is prone to seizing as it only gets going at around 2200 rpm which in our case was higher than we needed to get a good speed.
 
Hi Martin,

I had trouble In Trinidad and then in Grenada with my VP 2003 (non turbo) and was at point of replacing it when I discovered the problem was fixable (delaminated exhaust hose causing water blockage amonst other things).

However Mike, at Palmtree Marine (http://www.palmtreemarine.com/ sourced me an exchange engine for £1500 (I think) which he claimed was in good condition, though not sure if it was recon. It's quite likely that engine would still be available though I don't have any other info. Not sure also what the power difference impact will be for you as the non non turbo 2003 is 28hp.

Cheers, Brian.
 
Frankly the 2000 series Volvos were dogs. Not the first I have seen throw a rod and cylinder head distortion problems too many to mention. Thre are several good replacements these days. Shop around but try to get one that is the same hand rotation and gearbox ratio or you will need a new prop too....
 
Thank you everyone for your replies above.
Especially the reminders re the gearbox ratio and how the prop is LH rotating.
I have been looking up the info I have, but I cant find what the gear ratio on the Volvo box is - am guessing it is a pretty standard down angle box, does anybody know it off hand?

Fergus, we had the same problem re never having to take it anywhere near 2,200 rpm - the standard 29 hp engine without turbo would have been much better in the long run I am sure.

Brian, I have just tried calling Mike at Palm Tree Marine, but just got voicemail. Altho' GBP 1,500 sounds a bit steep, even if it was reported to be in good condition.

Boatmike, I am inclined to agree with your opinions above re dogs...... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have just received an email from our boat partner in England, who reports that it would cost GBP 60 to box up a Beta, and then GBP 160 to ship it out here, which sounds very reasonable.
So I think we will probably look at buying a Beta 28 hp. Although I will also contact the Westerbeke folk in the USA re their engines (thanks Michael_W for the suggestion) and see what they say.
 
Beta Beta Beta!! A similar experience, my 2003T hydraulicked in April whilst away from home, it wasn't a difficult decision to re-engine after thinking through all the implications of staying with Volvo. Collected the boat last week with new Beta 38, only 5 hours so far but I'm convinced it was the right move, should've done it last time I was faced with volvo parts prices. And the cost of the job was very reasonable I thought.

I dealt with the LH prop issue by getting a Darglow folding prop (btw they can be reversed for a nominal sum) last winter, sailing performance is well improved too!
 
Out of curiosity since I'm considering this course, do you mind telling me either here or in a PM, how much the final bill was? Were there many mods required to handle gbox/shaft alignment? Who did the work for you and would you recommend them?

Cheers, Brian.
 
Can you get your boat to St Maarten? Fit a tax-free engine there and sail her home....

Yes I know it's an upwind slog, but the tax savings could be considerable.
 
Thanks for the suggestion re St Maarten - altho that does mean sailing up there (a bit over 3 days, given reasonable winds) at the beginning of hurricane season with no engine.....
Realistically, I think our best bet is to try and get an engine to here, even if we have to pay duties on it - if we get a Beta from England then at least it will be exported duty free.
Although we would then have to get a RH propeller as well - or maybe a folding prop as mentioned above - we shall have to make some decisions soon...... !
 
TNX for the suggestion re a PRM hydraulic box - re running both hands of prop, does it work equally well ahead and astern?
And what would be the outcome if you dont have a shaft brake?

The Volvo manual recommends leaving the engine in neutral when sailing with a fixed prop, and putting it in astern with a folding prop - we have always in the past just left it in neutral, and allowed the prop to 'free-wheel' while under way. As we have found that if we put it in gear to stop prop rotation, it was very difficult to get it out of gear afterwards.
(BTW, I found in the Volvo manual that our gearbox is either a 2.4 or 3 to 1 reduction - so that is a start....)
 
I considered the Kubota/Beta/Nanni 28hp for my boat. What put me off was the fact that the engine extracts 28hp from 1000cc by revving to 3,600 rpm. Also Beta's heat exchanger design seems to have a few problems (see PBO Forum passim).

The Mitsubishi/Westerbeke gets its 31hp from 1,300cc at 3,000 rpm.
 
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