A safe skipper?

[Chris_d]

This is rubbish....

I wouldn't let them go out, end of story, and if you need to ask this question, there must be an attitude problem so I wouldn't let go out with you either! regardless of training, sorry.
You can't train common sense and a sharp mind.


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[tripleace]

Surely its a fact that the make up of the person creates whether they are safe or not.

A complete idiot who never does anything outside of his ability is far safer that an expert with no respect for the elements.

there are three elements:

Time in control of a boat

Training courses attended

attitude towards the above and the elements.


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Unfortunately last year you, happy, would not listern to advice and you were then an un safe person.

From resent posts you appear to have changed and moved towards the safer side.


so you now have a year under your belt, been part of forum members showing you things (training of a sort) and appear to understand the elements better.

Are you safe. probably... you're are the best judge. You are better placed now to judge others.








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[gjgm]

I m not sure when you say "their family" whether you mean their own family, or third person, their family. If the latter then I would want them to have skills to a level that they were prepared to expose their own family/children to the risks of being on a boat. As mentioned elsewhere on this thread, in equal balance,I would need to know them personally, or respect the opinion of someone whom I know. Lets say it was a plane..that I know nothing about. No, I wouldnt say, I want to be sure you can recover from a spin, a stall,a failed engine. The judgement would be on whether whether I would trust my family into their care, and that would be more of a character than technical assessment. If the bloke is a nutter, then no matter how great a pilot he is, my children are not boarding his plane.
If the question is what level of skills before I would take a member of my own family, I would say the material covered in PB level 2, not because its training per se, but because its assessed as a minimal grounding of knowledge that should, if followed ,help lead to a minimal level of safety. That, in fact, is exactly how it was with my own family.

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[TwoStroke]

When I was taking the PB2, the instructor was saying that once qualified we could use his RIB, as that was the minimum requirement for his insurance. A good percentage passed, however, with the attitudes of some the instructor would make an excuse so as not to let them out on his RIB. It really comes down to the attitude of the person - and would be the same if I had kids being left in the hands of some one else.

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[lanason]

Excluding a Commerical operation - personally I would find it imposible to determine if someone was safe or not. I would have to get to know them, their atitutude, their approach to situations.

From everyone I know on here - I would put Col at top of my list to let my kids go out with. Why ? simple - attitude and he instills confidence. I know that he would not put them in danger and its as simple as that. There may be others who are better but I don't know them well enough to judge. Qualifications, years of experiance all that only count for little. Full stop. Sorry Pete - Would I say you we safe ! Not yet but your going in the right direction.

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[powerskipper]

Thinking boat,
This is an awareness of how the boat moves, how to keep peaple safe while it is moving, how to control the boat at all speeds safely,
An awareness of other boats and what they are likely to do. ie in a narrow channel, or open sea. And your own boats limitations.
Some idea of what to do in an emergance other than call for help.
And know your limitaions.
This can be taught or gained by growing up with boats, to some it comes natually to others not.
But WITHOUT IT I would not let my family out on that boat.!

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[Bergman]

I really don't understand where you are going with all this.

Its your boat, your family, your responsibility.

If you want to take them to sea do it

If you don't think its safe then stay at home.

What is your problem?

Do you want some sort of seal of approval or license from this forum. If so forget it.

Are you obsessed with the idea that the rest of us are irresponsible incompetents who risk others lives for our own gratification and only you have the magic key to safety afloat? You don't

If you want to be a seaman then go to sea.

No matter how many posts you put on this board it will never be a substitute for sea time.

Go out there, make a few mistakes, stress the sphincter muscles a bit, gain real experience. What you will learn is seamanship and not a little humility.

Then come and tell the rest of us how it should be done.

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[Trevethan]

To me it boild down to one simple question -- will they bring back my loved ones safe/alive...

That depends entirely on the circumstances -- going up the canal in a rowboat -- I would trust almost anyone -- Crossing the Atlantic in winter -- I'd prefer someone with experience..

Personally I don't care two hoots about paper qualifications -- to my mind they are no good at all...

A case in point.. When I was about 12 I went sailing with someone who had a lot of bits of paper to say they knew what they were doing. We were only on a reservoir, but it was very blowy.

He drove the boat very hard and when landing crunched it very hard against the slip. I don't usually get scared, but I was not happy at all.

However I then took him out, same bnoat same winds. At that time I had an RYA dinghy certificate, but has sailed for about 2 years in North Devon. including a passage from Taw Torridge Estuary to Lundy and back in a 14 foot boat.

The experience was totally different.. the boat was more stable, and when we docked there were no injuries, no damage... all very calm and colelct.

As I see it, the difference was I had experienced heavier weather and rougher seas in my two years sailing than he had getting his exams and buggering about on lakes for 10 years.

So I am afraid your question is probably a bit crap -- there is no definitive answer...

It depends entirely on the person, their attitude to safety (not their training!), their experience and the circumstances they are boating in.



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[toobaz]

If you have to ask this question, then you are in need of a reality check.
The question is the same as; What is the basic skill for going out with someone in;
a car, boat, aircraft, base jumping, skydiving.
Ability, Confidence, Experience and Knowledge......................which relates to a basic skill of knowledge.

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