A quality product........................"should last a long time"

[Resolution]

A provider of yachting wear says on their website "At ...................., we believe that high quality products should last for a long time.”



Should this period of time be measured in years, given the garment spends most of its life hanging in a warm dry wardrobe: should it be measured in days at sea, though not worn all day everyday or should it be measured in sea miles traveled though again not worn for every inch of every mile? Ah...........................the advantages of keeping a log

Thanks

They can get TOO warm. My Musto BR2s have been on my boat for most of their 5 or so years. Seldom used in the damp open air, 99% spent hanging in a dry cupboard. The snag is that the boat has been in the Med all this time, so all summer the cupboard is probably between 30 and 40 degrees. The outer shell and the goretex is all fine, but the rubber seals round the wrists have crumbled, as has the white material behind the rubber. Using the jacket this year left trails of dandruff everywhere one went. Early complaints about the crew washing habits were not well received.
(Once we located the source of the dandruff, we did the logical thing and cut the whole section out!)

 

[Fascadale]

Musto never had a lifetime guarantee, GoreTex have this and it applies to anything made of GoreTex and it's handled via the manufacturer (Musto). It's not limited to 10 years, it's lifetime and I know people who have used it. The guarantee is against defects in the fabric, while the shorter Musto garment one covered the manufacturing of the garment. Neither covered wear and tear. The lower tier fabrics are covered by normal warranties which match the garment one from Musto.

Musto are saying that I must contact GoreTex directly, as they have assessed from photographs that my delaminating MPX jacket is a Goretex problem

Unfortunately I still have no answer to the question of what they consider to be "a long time" for the working life of the jacket.

 

[Frogmogman]

The dictum “the quality will remain long after the price has been forgotten” is usually attributed to Henry Royce, although a variation is credited to Aldo Gucci.

Although there may be some truth in this theory, I’ve always been sceptical that anybody could ever forget how much they had paid for a new Rolls Royce.

 

[Koeketiene]

Musto never had a lifetime guarantee, GoreTex have this and it applies to anything made of GoreTex and it's handled via the manufacturer (Musto). It's not limited to 10 years, it's lifetime and I know people who have used it. The guarantee is against defects in the fabric, while the shorter Musto garment one covered the manufacturing of the garment. Neither covered wear and tear. The lower tier fabrics are covered by normal warranties which match the garment one from Musto.

Well, is delaminating fabric considered 'wear and tear'?
And if not, why did Musto send my 12 year old jacket back to me rather than forwarding it to GoreTex?

 

[penberth3]

Musto are saying that I must contact GoreTex directly, as they have assessed from photographs that my delaminating MPX jacket is a Goretex problem

Unfortunately I still have no answer to the question of what they consider to be "a long time" for the working life of the jacket.

There is no answer. So much depends on use and storage.

 

[Sandy]

Agreed. Hiking jackets are expensive fashion items, and most are so short I wouldn't call them "jackets". Useless, and don't get me started on "waterproof and breathable". Farming, fishing, motorcycling wet weather gear is a much better choice.

Are these 'hiking jackets' also know a cagoule and designed to be used with salopettes? Having tramped all over Scotland in stuff before gortex I'd never ever go back to getting as wet in the waterproofs than out!

 

[Koeketiene]

There is no answer. So much depends on use and storage.

If it 'depends', it's not much of a warranty.

 

[penberth3]

If it 'depends', it's not much of a warranty.

A warranty covering unlimited wear and tear and ripping the arse out would be good wouldn't it? Dream on.

 

[Koeketiene]

A warranty covering unlimited wear and tear and ripping the arse out would be good wouldn't it? Dream on.

Pray do tell, what do you consider to be the difference between 'lifetime' and 'unlimited'?

 

[lustyd]

difference between 'lifetime' and 'unlimited'?

Unlimited wear is entirely different from a lifetime against manufacturing defects. If something delaminated because you ripped it on a nail that's not the same as it delaminating on its own. We can't really comment on your case without seeing the condition, but presumably Musto or Gore decided it looked like the wear caused the issue rather than a defect.

 

[Koeketiene]

Unlimited wear is entirely different from a lifetime against manufacturing defects. If something delaminated because you ripped it on a nail that's not the same as it delaminating on its own. We can't really comment on your case without seeing the condition, but presumably Musto or Gore decided it looked like the wear caused the issue rather than a defect.

1. It was NOT a nail.
2. Weasel words. We (either Musto or GoreTex) offer a 'lifetime' guarantee, until...

Anyway: no prizes for guessing who no longer buys ANY Musto product.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

I'm not justifying the price, just saying that £400 is mid-range according to what I have seen.

Having said that and following on, I currently need a new hiking jacket. Having done my research, i've come to the conclusion that a sailing jacket is better value that a hiking jacket, if you look at the price/performance ratio.

I try not to look only at price, but rather value - what do I get for my money, and does it make me happy

I understand you and agree completely. My 3 or 4 year old Oxford trousers and jacket which, when used, spend most of their time in a 30 mph+ wind are still fully functional and waterproof. Jacket cost £150 and trousers £100 and that's including the abrasion resistance and armour and removable thermal linings. £250 doesn't get you much in the way of foul weather gear in a chandlery and my Helly Hanssen's, which were considerably more expensive despite being bought from their factory outlet in Bicester, lasted 4 years before simply wearing out. That suggests to me that we aren't getting value for money whether it's or hiking...

 

[doug748]

Fladen suits are those that are worn by many professional fishermen I believe, because of their effectiveness at keeping the wearer warm & dry, and their longevity.
The cost of the Fladen 2 piece is about the same as A Dubarry boot, which seems to indicate to me that form is better than function for many.

I have one of these:

Fladen Biscay Storm Jacket with built in Automatic life Vest - Fishing - Sailing | eBay

Waterproof, breathable, detachable arms, gas flotation, fleece lined - 80 quid.

.

 

[DownWest]

Well I bought West Marine's 'Third Reef ' foulies. Breathable. But, that was umm, about 12 yrs ago. Not used them much, but I donned the top bit last week in some rain and got a distinkly damp feeling around my shoulders..
Likely I will restricted my sailing to two reefs..

 

[Birdseye]

The main downside with a Fladen is that you overheat pretty easily. Wearing just the jacket is a good compromise (not for work- we had to wear a LJ over the top of the full suit). I've tried out the jacket only during a sea survival course and it's similar to wearing a buoyancy aid, so I'm happy using it for things like sheltered water dinghy trips.

I used to wear a similar floatation suit when helming in winter races and had a similar issue of overheating. Its currently over 10 years old and after selling the boat ( sob, sob) its now marked out for winter dog walking duties.
Wouldnt dream of trying to wear it on any activity that required quick vigorous movement - winching for example