A Man Who does not mince his words.

All new technologies are welcomed as salvation by some and feared by others.

When radiation was discovered people were offered radiation cures for everything from ED to headaches andd gout then even after that abated strong xray machines were installed in every childs shoe shop. Heaven know how many cancers were caused till we go to grip with dosages and usage

Then we invented industrial fertiliser which eased starvation in UK in 1940 to 1945 but has not yet got to deep aquifers and causes cancer through nitrate and nitrite burden in potential water supplies, and incidental contributes to run off killing our rivers. Cancer and dead rivers

Mobile phone addiction is causing social isolation and disengagement amongst the youth

Xrays, fertiliser and mobile are great tools but we have only just got to grip with xray usage - which is why folk fear 5G having been lied too about radiation risks in other spheres earlier

Those who buy and sell new technology are biased/conflicted. The Horizon scandal is a recent example

No doubt sustainable batteries might be found and sodium ion sounds promising, but batteries are hard as one need real energy density thus we have about doubled capacity since victorian times despite now having computers smaller than wrist watches and having dominated near space ( apart from solar or cosmic radiation now apparently killing starlink satelites so merely intruding into near space)

I am a technologist originally railway research. I like to play with new toys but we would spend many years checking that the new device actually worked reliably which is a/ how uk rail passenger death rates have dropped from several dozen a year average around 1950 to about one every 4 years, b/ partly why railways are expensive
 
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lustyd said:
I don’t but it was a quick Google that led to posts including “after” pictures clearly showing the boat with damage to the middle where the galley was, and no damage to the stern where the battery bank was apparently installed.
The only source that it was a battery fire seems to be a fireman who, knowing it was an electric boat, said “probably lithium batteries” and everyone took that as their chance to pounce and rant.

Maybe it was a battery fire, if so probably not the ones we use in most yachts. If that’s the case then bring evidence rather than speculation is my thought on this. Preventing progress because you don’t like progress is ridiculous, but dragging others down too is unhelpful, hence my robust responses on these threads of late.

There are too many weak minds in our society to allow this stuff to continue. I strongly regret not being more vocal on the big vote we all had that went to hell in a handbasket. Never again.
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It's all in your mind then...you don't offer any hard evidence (quick Google) thats what you say is correct, if anyone is giving miss information on here you are just as guilty trying to convince people in your beliefs...you start to insult and belittle anyone that dares to voice their own opinion if it differs from yours...
 
shanemax said:
There are none as blind as them that do not want to see, and none as deaf as them that do not want to hear.
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The video merely shows what happened NOT why and how. Like all conspiracy theorists the narrator builds on that to air his views and has the temerity to criticise the local papers for doing exactly what he is doing. Just listen to his "justification" for why it must have been the batteries - pure imagination on his part. The only thing that is "true" is that when lithium batteries catch fire they are very difficult to extinguish - but that is already well known and accepted. It does not need a foul mouthed bigot to spend over 10 minutes mostly having a go at people who might disagree with him.

Better to wait for the official report (if there is one)
 
Tranona said:
The video merely shows what happened NOT why and how. Like all conspiracy theorists the narrator builds on that to air his views and has the temerity to criticise the local papers for doing exactly what he is doing. Just listen to his "justification" for why it must have been the batteries - pure imagination on his part. The only thing that is "true" is that when lithium batteries catch fire they are very difficult to extinguish - but that is already well known and accepted. It does not need a foul mouthed bigot to spend over 10 minutes mostly having a go at people who might disagree with him.

Better to wait for the official report (if there is one)
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If the official report was within days, as in aircraft industry that might be worth waiting for - as it won’t we must judge as best we can

The real point is that lithium batteries will sink your boat and kill you if they catch fire while you are at sea. Even gas explosions are more suviveable and diesel is readily extinguishable particularly with auto extinguishers as on any sensible boat
 
A previous post expressed serious disdain for a battery that needed a BMS because of all the electronic components on the board which could fail. Since a LA battery did not have these extra bits it was preferrable and safer. I wonder if that poster has examined the interior of his depth sounder display or if he uses a grease covered old LA battery on the end of a rope to determine the depth under his keel and the nature of the bottom?

After reading some of the over the top reactions to potential LiFePO4 battery issues I can't wait for the day that the first small modular nuclear reactor is installed on a recreational sailboat.
 
oldmanofthehills said:
If the official report was within days, as in aircraft industry that might be worth waiting for - as it won’t we must judge as best we can

The real point is that lithium batteries will sink your boat and kill you if they catch fire while you are at sea. Even gas explosions are more suviveable and diesel is readily extinguishable particularly with auto extinguishers as on any sensible boat
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How can anyone make an informed judgement on this incident when all you have is a video of it burning and the attempts to control it? Nothing is added to what is already known - lithium fires are difficult to control.

As you say if one caught fire in a boat at sea it is likely to sink very quickly, although probably nobody will ever know! The evidence so far suggests that a common cause of fires occur during charging which is unlikely to be happening at sea and on board charging is easily controlled to prevent fires. So it comes down to your assessment of the risks of fire, mitigation and consequences. Clearly thousands of people have already done this assessment and concluded that there is no real risk if they follow the rules of managing charging systems. So far no reports of sinkings AFAIK.
 
billskip said:
It's all in your mind then...you don't offer any hard evidence (quick Google) thats what you say is correct, if anyone is giving miss information on here you are just as guilty trying to convince people in your beliefs...you start to insult and belittle anyone that dares to voice their own opinion if it differs from yours...
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I didn’t actually say I knew what happened though, did I? Unlike those stating it was definitely lithium.
 
oldmanofthehills said:
The real point is that lithium batteries will sink your boat and kill you if they catch fire while you are at sea.
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But they won’t. Thats the point. LiFePo4 is LESS of a fire risk than lead. Speculate all you like, we’ll keep on correcting the misinformation.
 
Tranona said:
The evidence so far suggests that a common cause of fires occur during charging which is unlikely to be happening at sea
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So boats don't change their batteries while at sea?what are the big generators, solar arrays, and alternators for?
If you are suggesting shore power supply is the risk.???
 
lustyd said:
But they won’t. Thats the point. LiFePo4 is LESS of a fire risk than lead. Speculate all you like, we’ll keep on correcting the misinformation.
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How can you state that li batteries won't catch fire..it maybe they are less of a risk but to state "they won't"...your guilty of misinformation...I think you're a troll
 
billskip said:
How can you state that li batteries won't catch fire..it maybe they are less of a risk but to state "they won't"...your guilty of misinformation...I think you're a troll
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Again, I didn’t say that. LiFePo4 have been shown not to catch fire repeatedly. The hard of thinking can’t separate that from other lithium chemistries not used on leisure boats and seem determined to convince the rest of us that science doesn’t exist.
 
oldmanofthehills said:
If the official report was within days, as in aircraft industry that might be worth waiting for - as it won’t we must judge as best we can

The real point is that lithium batteries will sink your boat and kill you if they catch fire while you are at sea. Even gas explosions are more suviveable and diesel is readily extinguishable particularly with auto extinguishers as on any sensible boat
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What evidence is there that Li fires are so fast that you would be unable to escape the flames and launch the liferaft, as has happened countless times in fires that have destroyed boats caused by fuel, or gas, or LA battery fires?

Sure they're difficult to put out, but then when you're offshore away from the fire brigade any fire is very difficult to put out.
 
billskip said:
So boats don't change their batteries while at sea?what are the big generators, solar arrays, and alternators for?
If you are suggesting shore power supply is the risk.???
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Yes they do, so your lead battery might blow the boat out of the water if the alternator malfuntions (as they often do).
The worst a LiFePo4 would do is expand slightly.
 
flaming said:
What evidence is there that Li fires are so fast that you would be unable to escape the flames and launch the liferaft, as has happened countless times in fires that have destroyed boats caused by fuel, or gas, or LA battery fires?

Sure they're difficult to put out, but then when you're offshore away from the fire brigade any fire is very difficult to put out.
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Some are hard to put out, others are extremely hard to set alight as shown repeatedly in publicly available testing
 
lustyd said:
Yes they do, so your lead battery might blow the boat out of the water if the alternator malfuntions (as they often do).
The worst a LiFePo4 would do is expand slightly.
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oldmanofthehills said:
The real point is that lithium batteries will sink your boat and kill you if they catch fire
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If they catch fire...which bit of "if they catch fire" are you having difficulty with?
But then you say in another post "they won't "....
 
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