A couple of contrasting sailing videos

[ylop]

I suspect he makes far more than that and good on him too. He does not beg poverty which I believe is the fine line many cross.

Steveeasy

Steve - I’ve no objection to anyone making money from their videos, it was the opening post which seemed to imply these were the OK type because they weren’t monetised. I’m under no illusion that making good, enjoyable content is both a skill and a time commitment and I don’t have the objection some people here seem to have to that.

YouTube provides a massive amount of analytics data to creators, so they can see if there are parts of their videos that people switch off, or types of videos people just don’t like.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Steve - I’ve no objection to anyone making money from their videos, it was the opening post which seemed to imply these were the OK type because they weren’t monetised. I’m under no illusion that making good, enjoyable content is both a skill and a time commitment and I don’t have the objection some people here seem to have to that.

YouTube provides a massive amount of analytics data to creators, so they can see if there are parts of their videos that people switch off, or types of videos people just don’t like.

If you read my post carefully you will perhaps understand the comment that I do not watch many you tube videos and not the mainstream monetised ones nor do I contribute to them other than increasing their views which does have an effect on their revenue creating ability although not directly from my wallet. I don't object to people making a good living out of You Tube videos and understand that it is time consuming and that very few people do it without expecting a return, it's just that that return won't be coming from me and I understand that if someone would wish to stop freeloaders like me it's their prerogative.
However the post was about sailing not making You Tube videos.

 

[steveeasy]

Both good examples to watch if that’s what floats your boat.

Steveeasy

 

[ylop]

If you read my post carefully you will perhaps understand the comment that I do not watch many you tube videos and not the mainstream monetised ones nor do I contribute to them other than increasing their views which does have an effect on their revenue creating ability although not directly from my wallet. I don't object to people making a good living out of You Tube videos and understand that it is time consuming and that very few people do it without expecting a return, it's just that that return won't be coming from me and I understand that if someone would wish to stop freeloaders like me it's their prerogative.
However the post was about sailing not making You Tube videos.

I’m not sure at what point you think someone becomes a “mainstream monetised channel” and therefore excluded from your viewing criteria? Eric has 200K subscribers and his most popular videos have over 500K views. That makes him about twice the size of Sailing Millenial Falcon, Ran, Saillife, Sam Holmes, 5-10 times the size of the Sailing Brothers, Cadoha, Ryan & Sophie, Fair Isle and Teulu Tribe (who get much debate here) and not that far off the size of Sailing Uma…

…now if you’d just said “these channels don’t follow the usual formulaic approach of hopping around the Caribbean, with bikini clad thumbnails and clickbait titles” we could probably have agreed. But your emphasis was on mainstream monetisation and I just don’t agree that Eric’s channel falls outside that scope (and you said you NEVER watch those). You gave me (and I’m the reader and have read your post again to see if it my fault, and I’m sure it’s not) the impression that you perceived these sailing Chanel’s were not mainstream monetised channels - I simply wanted to correct what seemed to be your misapprehension.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I’m not sure at what point you think someone becomes a “mainstream monetised channel” and therefore excluded from your viewing criteria? Eric has 200K subscribers and his most popular videos have over 500K views. That makes him about twice the size of Sailing Millenial Falcon, Ran, Saillife, Sam Holmes, 5-10 times the size of the Sailing Brothers, Cadoha, Ryan & Sophie, Fair Isle and Teulu Tribe (who get much debate here) and not that far off the size of Sailing Uma…

…now if you’d just said “these channels don’t follow the usual formulaic approach of hopping around the Caribbean, with bikini clad thumbnails and clickbait titles” we could probably have agreed. But your emphasis was on mainstream monetisation and I just don’t agree that Eric’s channel falls outside that scope (and you said you NEVER watch those). You gave me (and I’m the reader and have read your post again to see if it my fault, and I’m sure it’s not) the impression that you perceived these sailing Chanel’s were not mainstream monetised channels - I simply wanted to correct what seemed to be your misapprehension.

I suggest that you reread my posts and start your correction as well as your reading ability by correcting your assertion I said NEVER.
But as I said the post and thread were about sailing not You Tube video making.

 

[ylop]

I suggest that you reread my posts and start your correction as well as your reading ability by correcting your assertion I said NEVER.
But as I said the post and thread were about sailing not You Tube video making.

And yet you opened it by discussing the videos you don't like and really saying nothing other than "here's some sailing videos I like". You do seem to have a way of making an argument out of nothing.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

And yet you opened it by discussing the videos you don't like and really saying nothing other than "here's some sailing videos I like". You do seem to have a way of making an argument out of nothing.

You really have to improve your comprehension skills, apart from mentioning that I don't view the popular monetised You Tube videos I said nothing of the sort. In normal threads "Fred Drift" is an accepted norm but moving a discussion on sailing techniques to a discussion of monetised You Tube videos is beyond the norm and as for making an argument out of nothing, here's a biscuit take it you deserve it having won 1st prize.

 

[byanyothername]

...I don't view the popular monetised You Tube videos...

But ylop's point is that you actually do view the popular monetised videos, as proven by the fact you evidently watch Erik's videos.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

But ylop's point is that you actually do view the popular monetised videos, as proven by the fact you evidently watch Erik's videos.

Yes that is true in the sense that I have viewed Eriks videos but I am sure most would understand and even ylop got the point by referring to bikini clad ladies in the Caribbean type of videos to which I was referring to.

 

[Sandy]

A pal has a YouTube Channel and after watching a challenging passage, days of gales, I asked just how rough it was, as having been out in similar conditions my memory was the waves were not as frightening as he painted, his reply was 'you always ham it up for the camera'. That spoke volumes.

 

[steveeasy]

Still think Erik is cool. Inspiring sailor, never quite works for me though. Yet!!

Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

A pal has a YouTube Channel and after watching a challenging passage, days of gales, I asked just how rough it was, as having been out in similar conditions my memory was the waves were not as frightening as he painted, his reply was 'you always ham it up for the camera'. That spoke volumes.

volumes of what !!

Steveeasy

 

[Sandy]

volumes of what !!

Steveeasy

Of whatever you want...

This might help Cambridge dictionary.

 

[steveeasy]

Bit slow up here, Why would the Cambridge dictionary be any help.
Steveeasy

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Bit slow up here, Why would the Cambridge dictionary be any help.
Steveeasy

Perhaps because the Oxford one wouldn't

 

[Daydream believer]

I’ve never felt the need to log onto a tiddlywink forum to tell them I don’t like watching their videos.

That is a bit like saying " I have never tried eating spinnach , because I do not like the taste"
How do you know that you did not like it, if you did not even know what was on the video?
ie. They might have been top quality tottie (if that floats your boat) & not some guys just flicking discs into their pots.

 

[Frank Holden]

Hmmmmm.
Just skimmed the first one as being careful with internet just now. Don't want to run out of Gbs before I skip town tomorrow night.
A bit of dramatisation in it .. a little bit of 'look at me.. look at me'
Day sailing down hill around the Horn in an easterly that has been blowing for only a few hours and thus no 'greybeards involved?
Oh OK. I think I'd call it a bit of a squall rather than a storm.
Hardest thing at the Horn is to try not to get too many other day trippers 'in frame' when filming. Next hardest is plucking crew, who have been ashore for the obligatory 'me and the albatross' shot, off the beach when an easterly pops up.
About 2 hours between first and last shot in these four pics.

 

[ylop]

Yes that is true in the sense that I have viewed Eriks videos but I am sure most would understand and even ylop got the point by referring to bikini clad ladies in the Caribbean type of videos to which I was referring to.

No I think you've still missed the point! You said you don't watch the monetised channels. The channels you posted are monetised very nicely. What you meant was you don't watch bikini sailors in the Caribbean. I started to doubt I was being a pedantic prick but I now realise you still didn't realise that Eric's videa was exactly the sort of video you said you didn't watch.

but moving a discussion on sailing techniques to a discussion of monetised You Tube videos is beyond the norm

You may have thought your thread was about sailing technique but I don't think there was any mention of sailing technique by you or anyone else (before I joined the thread or since). Your thread title wasn't two contrasting sailing techniques, it was contrasting sailing videos. If you read the thread without watching the videos you'll realise that the only discussion is that Erik seems to have taken a riskier approach - no discussion of the sailing itself. When someone says he doesn't see the contrast you say - you should see the ones where he shreds in genoa. Hence I think the thread is really about the videos or the youtube channels even if you think its about sailing technique!

I see what you raise as concerns for Erik as actually being a factor driven by the monetisation. His videos have a certain style which requires a certain level of risk in them. He'll see quite clearly that the viewing stats are better (ie. he earns more money) when he makes videos of doing stuff most of us would never consider. Your viewing of his "epic adventures", actually encourages him to do more. So whilst you might not think the monetisation is important - ask yourself would he still be taking these risk if people weren't watching him? or if he had an income which was fixed regardless of viewer uptake? Thats why I think it is entirely relevant that you think you don't watch monetised youtube channels. You do. And by doing it you actually encourage the type of sailing you are critical of.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

No I think you've still missed the point! You said you don't watch the monetised channels. The channels you posted are monetised very nicely. What you meant was you don't watch bikini sailors in the Caribbean. I started to doubt I was being a pedantic prick but I now realise you still didn't realise that Eric's videa was exactly the sort of video you said you didn't watch.


You may have thought your thread was about sailing technique but I don't think there was any mention of sailing technique by you or anyone else (before I joined the thread or since). Your thread title wasn't two contrasting sailing techniques, it was contrasting sailing videos. If you read the thread without watching the videos you'll realise that the only discussion is that Erik seems to have taken a riskier approach - no discussion of the sailing itself. When someone says he doesn't see the contrast you say - you should see the ones where he shreds in genoa. Hence I think the thread is really about the videos or the youtube channels even if you think its about sailing technique!

I see what you raise as concerns for Erik as actually being a factor driven by the monetisation. His videos have a certain style which requires a certain level of risk in them. He'll see quite clearly that the viewing stats are better (ie. he earns more money) when he makes videos of doing stuff most of us would never consider. Your viewing of his "epic adventures", actually encourages him to do more. So whilst you might not think the monetisation is important - ask yourself would he still be taking these risk if people weren't watching him? or if he had an income which was fixed regardless of viewer uptake? Thats why I think it is entirely relevant that you think you don't watch monetised youtube channels. You do. And by doing it you actually encourage the type of sailing you are critical of.

Try again opening post "Two competent helms"

I have no concerns about Erik but you seem to think his motivation for sailing is so that he can make money out of You Tube videos, that's quite an assumption.
It's not that I think I don't watch monitored videos I do and I know I do but not often and not many and have admitted as much, and whilst You Tube videos can make money directly it's the Patrons that produce the biggest amount ( I think but no doubt you can correct me on that)
It's still about the sailing though as everyone else understands.

 

[steveeasy]

Why not call a cease fire. Two films and highlighting the differences.
Surely we would rather talk about how Erik pushes the boundaries somewhat. Something we should all do a little more. Personally he has inspired me somewhat which has helped my sailing, a bit!!.

He does not come over cocky and shows his weakneses. Clearly it’s commercial but very seldom cap in hand. His early films were fabulous to watch.
I’ve got his T shirt, still look a nerd though.
Steveeasy