A bad sail boat

[AlexL]

Ahh- the technical term for lobbing a spinaker out the back of your aeroplane is a BRS or Ballistic Recovery System (oh Sh*t wheres the parachute to you and me) <A target="_blank" HREF=http://brsparachutes.com/PI_modeltypes.mgi?container=Cirrus> see here </A>. I can see this catching on, I really can.


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[Evadne]

Re: up the beach at 20 knots

This was the recommended way of beaching a fishing boat (usually, but not always, a rib) when I were a lad in Durban. It was almost as exciting as launching from the beach into the breakers.

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[mighetto]

Hi Jimi,

I must admit that David Harding has me rethinking a few things. But we all know
keel boaters who have purchased new sailboats and predictably touch down in
their first or second season. The divers or haul out folks will often find what is
called in the USA a smile. It is called a C&C smile or a Hunter smile or a Catalina
smile but the manufacturers usually will tell the owners that the smile shaped
crack where the keel is attached to the hull is nothing to worry about unless water
is found in the bilge.

Unfortunately water can enter the bilge in so many ways including simple
condensation that the owners wives (if they are aware of the smile) will forever
more fret about the judgement of their husband. First there is the queston of how
the boat grounded in the first place. I mean how were charts and tides and
sounders ignored. Then there is the question of water in the bilge. Did it enter
through the crack? Eventually the wives will suggest the sailboat be sold and
if the husband is lucky, a larger power yacht purchased. If unlucky the wife
will suggest a golf club.

I am joking of course but the main point is that worry about seaworthiness after
a touch down continues for as long as that boat is owned. It is one reason I
am reluctant to purchase used. You just never know the history of a used boat.
Likely it has had keel damage but it is unlikely the manufacturer considered that
enough of an issue to make it required under US law to disclose the matter.

Compare and contrast with retracting keel boats - like Mirabella V. Since the foil is
not attached to the hull but rather a mechanism there is less likely
hood of smiles after a touchdown. Now think of fully retractable and twin keel
boats. Here the likelihoop of hull damage is lessoned even more. Break away foils
are another approach. You still can have hull damage by running the
exended foil onto the rocks. This makes swing keels/foils so friendly in comparison
to foils that can not retract on their own in a grounding. MacGregor Yachts moved
to the swing keel - a term they invented - owing to a number of operators who
forgot to retract the centerboard prior to motoring onto a trailer. Now do not tell
me that it is just silly Americans that do that kind of thing.

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[Sybarite]

Re: Beaching a yacht in bad weather.

<< I'd be most interested to hear of any actual experiences of runnning a yacht or power-boat (McGregor 26 sized or above) onto a lee shore as a heavy weather tactic - say F7 or more.>>

"Tilly Twin" in the June 1956 F11 Channel Storm. The skipper deliberately cut the anchor cable to run ashore. Lightweight design and so when the 6' keel touched, it slewed around broadside to the waves but had enough reserve buoyancy to float in 2' of water. The boat was undamaged. (Source : Heavy Weather Sailing).

The comment was that this was really a last ditch measure and should only be attempted in relatively sheltered waters.

John

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[jimi]

well well well .. do'nt know about you yanks, but here in the UK we have marine surveyors. Must admit this is this first time I've heard this reason for buying a McG and to be brutally frank its as daft as the rest of your posts. Have you considered psychoanalysis to help?

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[cameronke]

Hello Jimi

I reckon that 23 knots under sail from a 26 footer would be reason enough to buy a McG

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Wonder what it can do with the engine on

Wibble wibble
Cameron

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[jimi]

Bloody 'ell , micht be tempted myself at that speed , have we independent proof of this mindbogling acheivement .. wonder if they win the RTI every year but just get fed up waiting for everyone else!

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[cameronke]

That may be its terminal velocity in free fall!

Regards
cameron


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[tome]

Must admit I was sceptical, but it definitely states 23 knots on ebay so must be true. Perhaps he isn't so bonkers after all?

Just 3 hours home from Cherbourg - impressed. There's only a day left to bid so must go. Nurse!

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[robp]

Did you see who the seller was?

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[Wiggo]

Re: all perfectly feasible

the trick is to trim the leg up as you come in, then just before you ground out, nail the throttle, then almost immediately kill the engine. Flooring it causes a big bow wave that (when done right) carries you up the beach above the surf, and deposits th eboat gently on the sand, far enough up that the incoming waves don't keep picking up the transom.

Same trick works in a jet rib, killing the throttle just as she surges forward stops you ingesting crap in the shallow water, too.

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[tome]

Aha! Well spotted.

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[Twister_Ken]

Worse than Stalin

> MacGregor Yachts moved to the swing keel - a term they invented<

Not even Stalin rewrote history quite so blatantly.

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[robp]

So Jimi, are you really one of the McG clan? Do you know more than you're letting on? Did the sea not move for you? Isn't Elvis really sailing around the Southern Ocean in a McGregor?

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[jimi]

Rob, have a heart! X my heart .. zis is not me, an occasional dual Id is one thing but pretending to sell a McG 26 is quite another, even I have some scruples! And if that's not bad enough .. bluidy Sheffield as well -- yuck

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[tome]

Ocean Going Sailboat in natural environment?

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[ShipsWoofy]

I think you could alienate a few other sectors of society if you try Jimi, how about Manchester and Liverpool next. Then hunter owners and on....

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And, Tome, can you not recognise the future of Ocean sailing when you see it. I have just seen the resemblance between the MacDuff and Mirabella, Mirabella used the same mold for her bathrooms.

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[longjohnsilver]

Re: Ocean Going Sailboat in natural environment?

One went past me doing at least 50 odd knots, so it's true it is a fast boat. This one however was in the very best place on a trailer being towed behind a reliant robin on the M5.

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[Twister_Ken]

Looks remarkably like...

...the future of offshore racing to me. I hear Ellen McGregor is having one built in Droitwich even as we type. To be named Fray Bentos Flyer after her lastest sponsors.

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[mighetto]

Re: Ocean Going Sailboat in natural environment?

Nice photo of the ugly arse. But this kind of walk on transom or fan tail alows
one to pick up water skiers or a man overboard. The later if not former
functionally every one agrees is desirable. Even the designers of Mirabella V.
Here our notions of pretty sailboats have to give way for function.

The photo
also demonstates the notion that the X design was built for the engine as opposed
to just a huge engine being slapped on a sail boat. Your PBO author incorrectly
implies that a smaller engine will make the X boat a better sailer. Would knocking
off 100 lbs from a keel make the boat a better sailboat? Of course not. Well
not without other modifications anyway. Weight and balance mater.

Compare with the arse of the new MacGregor Model. The new Mac26m might
well be a better sailboat with a smaller engine. There was a time when yanky
built meant a lot in sailing. See master and commander. The Surpise from the
film was "yanky built."



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