36' Westerly model help

[Tranona]

You will find several 36 of the type you are looking at here boatshed.com/dosearch.php?show_sold=1&return_url=%2Farchive&q=Moody+36

One or 2 are delightfully original but most have been "improved" - or let go! by their owners. Many are used for liveaboards or were bought for the big adventure, so you find them dotted around the Med as well as the UK. They are very good for this type of use and lend themselves to owner mods. However as you will see most come up for sale when the owners can no longer cope with or afford the work required to keep them running. These are big relatively complex boats usually full of gear that is well past its sell by date so even the best sell in the £30k range. The cost and work required to bring a poor one back into service will well exceed the market value - see Concerto's posts on what he has done with his boat. Don't forget that a non functioning boat has a fixed mooring/storage cost and insurance that is broadly the same as one that is full sailing use!

Make sure you have no rose tinted specs on when you view the boat! Good luck.

 

[dankilb]

+1… I’d only be tempted if it was relatively ‘original’. At least then you’ll be fixing everything for the first time - not undoing someone else’s mess on an already ‘molested’ example.

 

[penfold]

+1… I’d only be tempted if it was relatively ‘original’. At least then you’ll be fixing everything for the first time - not undoing someone else’s mess on an already ‘molested’ example.

Out of shear nosiness I looked at a Halbardier that was in a similar state; original for the most part including the ancient 70s instruments, except for the aft lavvy being 'converted' to a sort of garden shed filled with bricabrac and a huge hot water tank that looked suspiciously like it had come from B&Q. The only functioning seacock was the engine inlet and every bit of canvas and rope was green with algae. It definitely met your criteria of originality, which is one I'd concur with for selecting ripe candidates as a project, but the owner had a different view of its value to me so it went no further.

 

[KompetentKrew]

… there is a placard in the saloon showing "Off. No. nnnnnn Reg Tons 12 15/100" which I assume means she was at one time on the lloyds registry?

That refers to the Part 1 register, surely?

I believe liens can be recorded against the part 1 register, so you must be able to look it up, although the registration will probably have expired if the boat has been sitting a while.

Here's another (old) thread that may be helpful: how can i search by name British Part 1 registered boat

I am still very hesitant about taking this on, it's nothing like the boat I had in mind, but it's a lot of boat for the money …

I doubt if there are many "cheap" project boats which end up being cheaper than just buying a boat that's been well maintained and is all sorted.

Have you owned a boat before? If not, it's easy to underestimate the costs and the amount of work you can put into them. I would never discourage someone from getting a boat - yachting is a unique and unalloyed joy - but a project isn't the same as a boat. Do you want to be sailing or fettling?

 

[DeepKeel]

That refers to the Part 1 register, surely?

I believe liens can be recorded against the part 1 register, so you must be able to look it up, although the registration will probably have expired if the boat has been sitting a while.

Here's another (old) thread that may be helpful: how can i search by name British Part 1 registered boat


I doubt if there are many "cheap" project boats which end up being cheaper than just buying a boat that's been well maintained and is all sorted.

Have you owned a boat before? If not, it's easy to underestimate the costs and the amount of work you can put into them. I would never discourage someone from getting a boat - yachting is a unique and unalloyed joy - but a project isn't the same as a boat. Do you want to be sailing or fettling?

Thanks KK. You are right, that's Pt 1 registry and I find the boat there with no details other than year built - 1980.

I understand that I am sounding very naive here, especially as a newbie suddenly appearing on YBW! However, I am being coy about details because of the unusual (distressing for the family which currently owns it) circumstances in which this boat is for sale, and its unusual location. But I have been sailing all my life, I have owned several boats in the past, and I completely re-built a ply-epoxy 36' boat with a newly designed rig and a total new fit-out including new electrics and electronics, gas, plumbing etc, 90% of which I did myself over the course of a year. I subsequently sailed that boat many 1,000s of miles and had great fun in her. In an earlier life, I was responsible for maintenance of an 80' steel gaff ketch used for sail training. I have to confess that I get at least as much fun out of the fettling as I do the sailing, as I said somewhere upthread, I do tend to lose interest in a boat when I feel it's as good as I can get it!

But I have never been in the 'conventional' yachting' world; I have never had anything to do with 'conventional' plastic cruising boats in this size range, I have never spent a night in a marina, but have spent 100s of nights at sea, at anchor or alongside a muddy wall. Hence my dumb questions and thanks all for your patient and very helpful responses.

 

[dankilb]

Out of shear nosiness I looked at a Halbardier that was in a similar state; original for the most part including the ancient 70s instruments, except for the aft lavvy being 'converted' to a sort of garden shed filled with bricabrac and a huge hot water tank that looked suspiciously like it had come from B&Q. The only functioning seacock was the engine inlet and every bit of canvas and rope was green with algae. It definitely met your criteria of originality, which is one I'd concur with for selecting ripe candidates as a project, but the owner had a different view of its value to me so it went no further.

Yikes! I contrast, I would cite the Conway I mentioned viewing a few years ago - above - as perhaps so original down below (despite all the nice new kit) I was worried I’d break anything I touched! It was like being back on my grandfather’s Berwick which he had (and kept like!) new from the factory in 1977. Just that everything was a lot more well worn and fragile!

I have to confess that I get at least as much fun out of the fettling as I do the sailing

…then this does sound like a good candidate for you to ‘rescue’. All I’d say is to watch the potential budget. We’re completely refitting Christina too (she’s 10 years newer but - otherwise - everything was still knackered anyway!). We’ve intentionally not kept count, but she’ll be twice the purchase price once anywhere close to finished. They’re still big boats, requiring lots of ‘stuff’ - much of which is going up in price.

I would have to agree with the adage oft repeated on here that it’ll end up costing the same as a ‘good one’ (or any equivalent good ‘big’ boat) once you’re done. But if that stopped us, there’d be no older boats getting rescued and no point in PBO!

 

[Medway Matt]

The Fulmar has a balanced rudder with a very small skeg. All the Laurent Giles designs have a knuckle running along the topsides of the bow, but the Ed Dubois have smooth topsides like the Fulmar.

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A small correction; all the Laurent Giles designs except the GK24 and GK29. Feel free to call me an anorak! ?

 

[Concerto]

A small correction; all the Laurent Giles designs except the GK24 and GK29. Feel free to call me an anorak! ?

Technically you are right about Laurent Giles, but they were designed by Michael Pocock. He legt to work on his own and later designed the Starlight 30 as an evolution of the GK29. I know a lot about the Starlight 30 as I helped build 2 from plans and met Michael qiute a few times.