alan_d
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On a cruise ship I was on recently you could buy satellite Internet access for about 0.42USD per minute, so presumably it was costing them less than that. No idea of which system or their fixed costs, though.
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st599
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Via an onboard proxy cache. Most people would be going to the same websites.
amcl
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dang! I just saw the monthly costs!!!!!
www.mackaycomm.com/pdf/Section-B-Pricing-Tables-Year-3.pdf
$17k-$70k p/a
Ouch.. I'd be happy to stretch to a few hundred per month but thats me out of this one.....
Fingers crossed that O3b will get their acts together faster
www.mackaycomm.com/pdf/Section-B-Pricing-Tables-Year-3.pdf
$17k-$70k p/a
Ouch.. I'd be happy to stretch to a few hundred per month but thats me out of this one.....
Fingers crossed that O3b will get their acts together faster
prv
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davids0865
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Possible solution?
Hi all,
Where I live in rural France the only viable solution is Sat, I currently use Nordnet, 2mb down .5mb up, 2gb per month €35 per month. This however is poor value compared with this new offering: http://www.bigdishsat.com/broadband/index.php?td_type=intro, now I appreciate that this is a fixed installation (and does require accurate pointing, but I do it myself) but it makes me wonder if the tracking systems could be adapted ??
David
Hi all,
Where I live in rural France the only viable solution is Sat, I currently use Nordnet, 2mb down .5mb up, 2gb per month €35 per month. This however is poor value compared with this new offering: http://www.bigdishsat.com/broadband/index.php?td_type=intro, now I appreciate that this is a fixed installation (and does require accurate pointing, but I do it myself) but it makes me wonder if the tracking systems could be adapted ??
David
AntarcticPilot
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It probably relies on a geostationary satellite, and you'd have to be within the footprint of the satellite's antennae. So, it doesn't present a solution to a long-distance cruiser.
dutyhog
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static satellite dish
Here in rural Scotland I'm sending this via the only option - a satellite with .25MB/s up, 1MB/s up and 5GB/month for 24 UK pounds/month. Double those speeds would cost £36. The Avanti Hylas satellite reaches most of Europe. But the static dish would be too big for a yacht, even if you could point it all the time. Gordon
Here in rural Scotland I'm sending this via the only option - a satellite with .25MB/s up, 1MB/s up and 5GB/month for 24 UK pounds/month. Double those speeds would cost £36. The Avanti Hylas satellite reaches most of Europe. But the static dish would be too big for a yacht, even if you could point it all the time. Gordon
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amcl
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I have to be honest, it's completely f***ing stupid to charge the rates that they are charging. I know that it costs a lot to launch satellites but presumably this comes down with volume and demand.
I really hoped that this KVH V7 deal was the sign of a change aimed at the cruising market but it just appears to be the old pay-per-megabyte model under a not so cunning disguise i.e; if you have a monthly download limit and it costs $20k per month then simple division shows that it's pretty much the same as paying per megabyte.
Frankly this is retarded. I would be prepared to pay a lot over the odds for this probably as much as $2k per month for fast, unlimited, stable, roaming internet access which I feel is a LOT for what it is and I'm pretty sure that if you take the cruising and bluewater market there are probably tens of thousands like me who would pay that kind of price give or take. That's hundreds of millions (if not the low billions) per year turnover for anyone to sort this out.... christ its 2011 internet's a given surely, there's a demand, where's the supply....
I really hoped that this KVH V7 deal was the sign of a change aimed at the cruising market but it just appears to be the old pay-per-megabyte model under a not so cunning disguise i.e; if you have a monthly download limit and it costs $20k per month then simple division shows that it's pretty much the same as paying per megabyte.
Frankly this is retarded. I would be prepared to pay a lot over the odds for this probably as much as $2k per month for fast, unlimited, stable, roaming internet access which I feel is a LOT for what it is and I'm pretty sure that if you take the cruising and bluewater market there are probably tens of thousands like me who would pay that kind of price give or take. That's hundreds of millions (if not the low billions) per year turnover for anyone to sort this out.... christ its 2011 internet's a given surely, there's a demand, where's the supply....
john_morris_uk
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Its not stupid - its called supply and demand! There really isn't a large demand for worldwide satellite internet - at least there is a demand but not from people who are willing to pay the sort of money it costs to set up!
Satellites cost LOTS of money and they need to be replaced periodically as well!
If you have thousands of people wanting to use a satellite, the bandwidth become huge. I understand your frustration, but for those of us who travel round the world and spend time at sea, much of the world doesn't have the connectivity we are used to at home and is only moving slowly in internet connection speed path.
AntarcticPilot
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And the supply side is quite small - satellites can only support a limited total band-width, so you are paying for a share of a scarce resource. The bandwidth available is not great - this is to do with radio spectrum allocations, physics and limited power supply on the satellite, so it isn't capable of being boosted anytime soon.
Basically, satellite Internet only works where there is no alternative and where you are prepared to pay. And you are still only getting a dial-up quality of connection.
Finally, there is a technical draw-back to satellite provided internet and that is the light-speed delay. Doesn't matter if you're streaming a large dataset, but for interaction it will get intrusive. You can expect a delay of a second - perhaps more - between request and response.
amcl
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I'd love to chat with someone at o3b about trying to sort this with google however I think convincing them that the vruising community constitutes a part of the 'other 3 billion'
I did have some experience in the 90s working in live broadcasting and having to deal with the satellite services and thought that by now this would have become a lot more available, stable and cheaper due to growth in demand but (very bad indicator but):
http://www.google.com/trends?q=satellite+internet&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
can it be true that demand is actually dropping..
Hoolie
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Could well be as mobile 3G coverage expands.
AntarcticPilot
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I'd love to chat with someone at o3b about trying to sort this with google however I think convincing them that the vruising community constitutes a part of the 'other 3 billion'
I did have some experience in the 90s working in live broadcasting and having to deal with the satellite services and thought that by now this would have become a lot more available, stable and cheaper due to growth in demand but (very bad indicator but):
http://www.google.com/trends?q=satellite+internet&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
can it be true that demand is actually dropping..
Basically, yes. World-wide satellite communications are really only necessary for a small number of people or organizations. That number drops as terrestrial mobile phone communications extends more widely, and as land-line provision gets better in western countries. It is really ONLY mariners (and scientists in remote areas) who NEED satellite communications. If there is a permanent population, it is likely that sooner or later cheaper terrestrial communications will penetrate the area.
I once saw an analysis that suggested that for a third world country, it was more cost-effective to invest in terrestrial mobile communications than in land-lines. Satellite comms don't come anywhere in that analysis.
The bandwidth provision is also limited by three things. First of all, the allocated spectrum is fixed and not very great. Second, the signal strength is small, and finally, each satellite covers a large footprint - you can't divide the world up into "small" cells, with spectrum being re-used on a geographic basis.