Seastoke
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So what is the difference between outbound oil than say chainsaw oil .
2 stroke oil
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ashtead
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Outbound oil goes further?????
Refueler
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Generally speaking ...
Outboard Oil is TW classed and for water cooled engines that generally run colder. It also is supposed to be more environmentally acceptable ...
Chainsaw oil is TA classed and designed for hotter air cooled engines.
You can buy a composite 2T oil ... which TBH - is what I use as outboards are not so many over here and shops ask silly price for TW ...
Composite 2T is fine ...
Outboard Oil is TW classed and for water cooled engines that generally run colder. It also is supposed to be more environmentally acceptable ...
Chainsaw oil is TA classed and designed for hotter air cooled engines.
You can buy a composite 2T oil ... which TBH - is what I use as outboards are not so many over here and shops ask silly price for TW ...
Composite 2T is fine ...
Kawasaki
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What Refueler said
Plus as long as it has 'tcw3' on the bottle it will do you
Which outboard have you got Roy?
Anyway, I have loads of the stuff
I can drop you some off for a bacon buttie
Transport costs not included
Due to 'essential travel' etc
Be 800 quid from Here to your boat
OK?
Plus as long as it has 'tcw3' on the bottle it will do you
Which outboard have you got Roy?
Anyway, I have loads of the stuff
I can drop you some off for a bacon buttie
Transport costs not included
Due to 'essential travel' etc
Be 800 quid from Here to your boat
OK?
Seastoke
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Yes I would need 2 bottles so it makes sense to do 2 journeys
Refueler
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I know I should not say this and some 'expert' will skin my b**** for it ... but it does not hurt to use TA if nothing else available ... just don't use it all time ... but a odd tank full is not problem.
Of course if you have an air cooled outboard such as the old Yammy 5 .... then TA 2T is called for - same as your Chainsaw !!
Of course if you have an air cooled outboard such as the old Yammy 5 .... then TA 2T is called for - same as your Chainsaw !!
Kawasaki
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Yeh Refueler, thats ok what you said
Plus yes there are 'experts' out there
Part of my ( a big part) life was all about building, tuning, servicing, mending, racing etc two strokes
'Oh, you must use ours only' Manufacturers said
When I was Distributing oil to the motorcycle trade 'Suzuki' oil was brewed in Warrington
The only thing 'Suzuki' about it was the name on the bottle!!
Yep, for the amount of 'mileage' a little auxilliary out board will do, as you said earlier will suffice
Sticking too much oil or too little can be much more harmful as we know
Stokey I will drop some off
You know its gonna cost yer one way or another!!!
Plus yes there are 'experts' out there
Part of my ( a big part) life was all about building, tuning, servicing, mending, racing etc two strokes
'Oh, you must use ours only' Manufacturers said
When I was Distributing oil to the motorcycle trade 'Suzuki' oil was brewed in Warrington
The only thing 'Suzuki' about it was the name on the bottle!!
Yep, for the amount of 'mileage' a little auxilliary out board will do, as you said earlier will suffice
Sticking too much oil or too little can be much more harmful as we know
Stokey I will drop some off
You know its gonna cost yer one way or another!!!
Refueler
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Yeh Refueler, thats ok what you said
Plus yes there are 'experts' out there
Part of my ( a big part) life was all about building, tuning, servicing, mending, racing etc two strokes
'Oh, you must use ours only' Manufacturers said
When I was Distributing oil to the motorcycle trade 'Suzuki' oil was brewed in Warrington
The only thing 'Suzuki' about it was the name on the bottle!!
Yep, for the amount of 'mileage' a little auxilliary out board will do, as you said earlier will suffice
Sticking too much oil or too little can be much more harmful as we know
Stokey I will drop some off
You know its gonna cost yer one way or another!!!
My racing go-kart with Villiers 9E3 engine loved having a drop of Methanol in the fuel ... of course could only use that in practice !!
That's my oldest brother and his GF posing with it on our lawn at home ....
Best fun I ever had !!
Kawasaki
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Great picture! Yeh that 197 was a great bit of Viliers kit
Oh! must go
Been told theres bog roll in a store close by!
Oh! must go
Been told theres bog roll in a store close by!
Momac
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I have been advised to use oil formulated for outboards.
At 50 to 1 a litre is enough for 50 litres of fuel so about 10 years worth in my case.
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At 50 to 1 a litre is enough for 50 litres of fuel so about 10 years worth in my case.
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Kawasaki
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God willing
I’ll give you a shout in 2030 then
If you need anymore?
I’ll give you a shout in 2030 then
If you need anymore?
BruceK
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You do know Kwackers is going to come to yours demanding payment and a bacon butty just after visiting the marina's waste oil drum right?
Kawasaki
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Bastid
Rumbled!
Rumbled!
QBhoy
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So. Everyone either loves or hates a question like this. There will be many different opinions on this matter.
mine is as follows and preparing to take fire for it, haha.
In my opinion, it really depends on a few careful considerations. Stick with me...
If you have a screaming balls out on the edge of mechanical threshold Big V6 2 stroke of old or a state of the art Etec evinrude...jeez, you’d be a madman to use anything other than a good TCW3 or specifically called for injector oil of sorts (of which I’ve found none better than rockoil).
If using rockoil MP3 injector oil at £30 for 5l...there is just simply no reason why you wouldn’t pick this marine oil over any other oil. Considering your engine may be worth many thousands of pounds.
so on the other end of the scale...I personally would still use a good oil like the same rock oil MP3 in my 8hp Yamaha, 3hp Malta or 2.2hp Suzuki. Would these engines really bother if I used standard 2 stroke oil in an emergency ???? Almost certainly not. I have done many times in the past.
long story short, use marine TCW3 if you can...it really isn’t that much dearer at all.
I won’t go into it, but some 2 stroke motors actually call for fullysynthetic oil...but strangely of a lesser quality than a TCW3!!
mine is as follows and preparing to take fire for it, haha.
In my opinion, it really depends on a few careful considerations. Stick with me...
If you have a screaming balls out on the edge of mechanical threshold Big V6 2 stroke of old or a state of the art Etec evinrude...jeez, you’d be a madman to use anything other than a good TCW3 or specifically called for injector oil of sorts (of which I’ve found none better than rockoil).
If using rockoil MP3 injector oil at £30 for 5l...there is just simply no reason why you wouldn’t pick this marine oil over any other oil. Considering your engine may be worth many thousands of pounds.
so on the other end of the scale...I personally would still use a good oil like the same rock oil MP3 in my 8hp Yamaha, 3hp Malta or 2.2hp Suzuki. Would these engines really bother if I used standard 2 stroke oil in an emergency ???? Almost certainly not. I have done many times in the past.
long story short, use marine TCW3 if you can...it really isn’t that much dearer at all.
I won’t go into it, but some 2 stroke motors actually call for fullysynthetic oil...but strangely of a lesser quality than a TCW3!!
Kawasaki
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All good stuff QBhoy
Like it
Like it
Refueler
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If you are user of high performance engines - then of course you would go for high quality non-recycled oil of the specified type by manufacturer.
But if you are the average sunday yottie .... then over counter average is good enough.
Refueler
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The average yottie with his outboard on his tender never actually gets to limits of the engine ... I suggest that most problems with such are often down to lack of use ... rather than actual.
I've seen people use normal engine oil as a "get you home" ... bit smoky but engine was OK after ... obviously I don't recc'd it ...
Most of what we use on our boats are 'overkill' .. 'over-engineered' ... so an occasional of the rails doesn't have the dire effects that some may suggest.
I have a large 'garden' (3.5 acres) with loads of trees ... 4 boats ... and a range of engines / chainsaws / generators / lawn tractors / pumps / strimmer weed whackers etc. - and they all live happily with whatever gets thrown at them ... and some of those have a very hard life !! With regard to 2T ... they all get the same compromise 2T ..... which Lukoil / VIADA abels as suitable for both Air and Water cooled... they even show the items such as outboards / boats / Chainsaws on the label !
I now some are going to argue this - but too often people worry too much or over-think the 'problem' ......
I've seen people use normal engine oil as a "get you home" ... bit smoky but engine was OK after ... obviously I don't recc'd it ...
Most of what we use on our boats are 'overkill' .. 'over-engineered' ... so an occasional of the rails doesn't have the dire effects that some may suggest.
I have a large 'garden' (3.5 acres) with loads of trees ... 4 boats ... and a range of engines / chainsaws / generators / lawn tractors / pumps / strimmer weed whackers etc. - and they all live happily with whatever gets thrown at them ... and some of those have a very hard life !! With regard to 2T ... they all get the same compromise 2T ..... which Lukoil / VIADA abels as suitable for both Air and Water cooled... they even show the items such as outboards / boats / Chainsaws on the label !
I now some are going to argue this - but too often people worry too much or over-think the 'problem' ......
Momac
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If the quality doesn't matter - is this okay?
Engine Oil 1L 2 Stroke
Engine Oil 1L 2 Stroke
The bottle is less than half full as a friend ''borrowed'' my oil and used a large slug of it . Make it a couple of years please
Refueler
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If the quality doesn't matter - is this okay?
Engine Oil 1L 2 Stroke
The bottle is less than half full as a friend ''borrowed'' my oil and used a large slug of it . Make it a couple of years please
I would have no trouble using this in my garden stuff and at a pinch in an outboard as a Get you Home ... but would recc'd getting a proper TW for your O/bd .....
You have to be careful with some of these strange brands ... they can be reconstituted or recycled .... there are company's that buy up B grade from majors ... add a few spikes to it so it passes analysis.
Kawasaki
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SorryIf the quality doesn't matter - is this okay?
Engine Oil 1L 2 Stroke
it . Make it a couple of years please
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