fisherman
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Or as we say, everything's alright as long as EVERYTHING'S alright.
2 Killed in boating accident
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ari
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Or as we say, everything's alright as long as EVERYTHING'S alright.
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Precisely! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Or as we say, everything's alright as long as EVERYTHING'S alright.
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Precisely! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
nicho
RIP
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A liitle more information from HM Coastguard:
Maritime & Coastguard Agency
Press Notice No: 377/.07
Friday, November 23, 2007
Posted 14:01 GMT
CABIN CRUISER OVERTURNS IN HORRENDOUS CONDITIONS
Humber Coastguard are currently co-ordinating assistance to an overturned cabin cruiser Last Call which left Whitby Harbour earlier this morning in horrendous sea conditions.
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Looks like it was called "Last Call" - a sad irony indeed.
A liitle more information from HM Coastguard:
Maritime & Coastguard Agency
Press Notice No: 377/.07
Friday, November 23, 2007
Posted 14:01 GMT
CABIN CRUISER OVERTURNS IN HORRENDOUS CONDITIONS
Humber Coastguard are currently co-ordinating assistance to an overturned cabin cruiser Last Call which left Whitby Harbour earlier this morning in horrendous sea conditions.
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Looks like it was called "Last Call" - a sad irony indeed.
Remmington
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You only need to look at Reeds to see the danger warnings for harbour entrance
ians
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I have been into whitby in a F5 northerly and that scrared the c--p out of me.
The swell as you enter is very bad
Sad incident
Ians
The swell as you enter is very bad
Sad incident
Ians
hlb
RIP
I'm simply saying, what I think happened. Maybe old underpowered boat. Turning within the harbour enterance, with the swell throwing the boat towards the harbour wall, would be daunting. So whip outside, turn round and be back in two minutes.
Probably, they had no thoughts of going out of the harbour. Just went a bit to far, then had little choice.
I am not saying they were right.
Probably, they had no thoughts of going out of the harbour. Just went a bit to far, then had little choice.
I am not saying they were right.
mont
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Yorkshire Post report was ...
owner from Redcar area - bought boat about two weeks ago.
Two men and woman. Woman on phone from boat after two men thrown overboard speaking to 999. Line went dead.
owner from Redcar area - bought boat about two weeks ago.
Two men and woman. Woman on phone from boat after two men thrown overboard speaking to 999. Line went dead.
Dave_Snelson
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20-30 foot swells????????
I wonder if they were complete novices? And yep, I have been out in some fairly mad weather (which I won't be doing again) but not that mad.
Condolences to the families.
I wonder if they were complete novices? And yep, I have been out in some fairly mad weather (which I won't be doing again) but not that mad.
Condolences to the families.
Take5
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Yorkshire Post report was ...
owner from Redcar area - bought boat about two weeks ago.
Two men and woman. Woman on phone from boat after two men thrown overboard speaking to 999. Line went dead.
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I can really relate to this having only just bought my first boat 4 or 5 weeks ago. I am yet to take her out as I want to get as much marine knowledge as I can first. This terrible accident only re-enforces my reasons for not rushing in.
It's a bloody crying shame what has happened here.
Yorkshire Post report was ...
owner from Redcar area - bought boat about two weeks ago.
Two men and woman. Woman on phone from boat after two men thrown overboard speaking to 999. Line went dead.
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I can really relate to this having only just bought my first boat 4 or 5 weeks ago. I am yet to take her out as I want to get as much marine knowledge as I can first. This terrible accident only re-enforces my reasons for not rushing in.
It's a bloody crying shame what has happened here.
Gludy
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It is a shame what has happened and entire family devasted.
It is an extreme case though and whilst you should always respect the sea and learn as much as possible - from qualified intruction if at possible, do not let it spoil you future boating.
There are very few fatalities in boating and even fewer from those who have taken the time to learn and understand.
I do not think anyone I know nor any member of this forum would have considered heading out of that harbour in any boat in such 20 to 30 foot seas.
The only time to even consider that is when you have to in order to save a life.
It is an extreme case though and whilst you should always respect the sea and learn as much as possible - from qualified intruction if at possible, do not let it spoil you future boating.
There are very few fatalities in boating and even fewer from those who have taken the time to learn and understand.
I do not think anyone I know nor any member of this forum would have considered heading out of that harbour in any boat in such 20 to 30 foot seas.
The only time to even consider that is when you have to in order to save a life.
exfinnsailor
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A Very Sad Story .. But please spare a thought for the RNLI , Air Sea Rescue and others who are always there to help .. Still cannot believe that anyone would want to head out to sea in a force 8 .. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
markmullen
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I posted in the other thread about this but here is my input.
I live in Scarborough which is about 15 miles to the south of Whitby and as a surfer know this bit of coast well. The conditions on the day were terrible, the inshore forecast was force 6 to 8, high seas and rain. The entrance to Whitby is such that one can see the sea from way back down the estuary, when it is rough you can tell long before you get anywhere near the edge of the pier.
According to the reports I heard the coastguard attempted to contact the crew on Ch16 as they motored down the estuary but received no answer or acknowledgement. If the boat was new to them maybe they didn't know how to operate the VHF or to monitor ch16. Also the mayday call was made by mobile phone not by VHF.
Whilst I feel sorry for those involved I do think it is selfish and foolish to put the lives of the RNLI and SAR Helicopter crew from Leconfield at risk through not taking into account the conditions.
I live in Scarborough which is about 15 miles to the south of Whitby and as a surfer know this bit of coast well. The conditions on the day were terrible, the inshore forecast was force 6 to 8, high seas and rain. The entrance to Whitby is such that one can see the sea from way back down the estuary, when it is rough you can tell long before you get anywhere near the edge of the pier.
According to the reports I heard the coastguard attempted to contact the crew on Ch16 as they motored down the estuary but received no answer or acknowledgement. If the boat was new to them maybe they didn't know how to operate the VHF or to monitor ch16. Also the mayday call was made by mobile phone not by VHF.
Whilst I feel sorry for those involved I do think it is selfish and foolish to put the lives of the RNLI and SAR Helicopter crew from Leconfield at risk through not taking into account the conditions.
BrendanS
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As someone that has knowledge of the area, what do you think the wave/swell would likely to have been in those wind/tide conditions?
Lakesailor
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A picture by S Moss on www.whitbyonline.co.uk shows the sea( on strangely, 25.11.2005). But no details of the forecast.
and here's another
Or look at this
from www.whitby-yorkshire.co.uk/lifeboat/lifeboats.htm (if you can stand the music)
and here's another
Or look at this
from www.whitby-yorkshire.co.uk/lifeboat/lifeboats.htm (if you can stand the music)
markmullen
New Member
I'm not sure I would have said 30 foot but 15 to 20 foot easily. It does get a bit wild around the harbour entrance. The Yorkshire Post has an article where a local fisherman described a 5 metre swell which would tally with my thoughts.
I would not want to set to see from Whitby in much in weather like that, let alone a 24 footer.
I would not want to set to see from Whitby in much in weather like that, let alone a 24 footer.
BrendanS
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Thank you. Not somewhere to put into when paasing by and stormbound at sea then? Better to keep out at sea?
markmullen
New Member
Once you get in its a nice little place and very sheltered.
I'm not experienced enough to recommend it being new to sailing but if I had the choice of being at sea through a storm or braving it into Whitby mine would be fish and chips at one of the great chippies in town!
http://www.yorkshireports.co.uk/content/whitby/navigation/entering_whitby.aspx
I'm not experienced enough to recommend it being new to sailing but if I had the choice of being at sea through a storm or braving it into Whitby mine would be fish and chips at one of the great chippies in town!
http://www.yorkshireports.co.uk/content/whitby/navigation/entering_whitby.aspx
MapisM
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Whilst I feel sorry for those involved I do think it is selfish and foolish to put the lives of the RNLI and SAR Helicopter crew from Leconfield at risk through not taking into account the conditions.
[/ QUOTE ]Perfectly understandable viewpoint.
But I had a few opportunities to help people in some sort of danger at sea - though never in such extreme conditions, luckily.
In three occasions, it was obvious to me that the helmsman did something totally wrong, which could have lead to the worst of conclusions.
And you know what? None of them realized/admitted that. The worst case was a gentleman sincerely convinced that running out of fuel was just a matter of bad luck.
In spite of that, I was happy and proud to have done my best for them, as I'm sure RNLI and SAR people always are.
...and after all, I could also take a very bad decision one day, leading myself and my crew into troubles, whatever the reason. Hopefully, someone would be willing to help, regardless of how big my fault could have been...
Whilst I feel sorry for those involved I do think it is selfish and foolish to put the lives of the RNLI and SAR Helicopter crew from Leconfield at risk through not taking into account the conditions.
[/ QUOTE ]Perfectly understandable viewpoint.
But I had a few opportunities to help people in some sort of danger at sea - though never in such extreme conditions, luckily.
In three occasions, it was obvious to me that the helmsman did something totally wrong, which could have lead to the worst of conclusions.
And you know what? None of them realized/admitted that. The worst case was a gentleman sincerely convinced that running out of fuel was just a matter of bad luck.
In spite of that, I was happy and proud to have done my best for them, as I'm sure RNLI and SAR people always are.
...and after all, I could also take a very bad decision one day, leading myself and my crew into troubles, whatever the reason. Hopefully, someone would be willing to help, regardless of how big my fault could have been...
Andrew_Fanner
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Discussed with SWMBO over the weekend. 24' cabin cruiser covers a multitude of possibilites. Taking some random extremes, Hardy 24 fishing boat or Norman 24 river boat (unlikely in Whitby) it did make us wonder exactly what the folk on board thought they were capable of doing and were the conditions too bad for the boat, or crew ability?
Very sad situation.
Very sad situation.
tazzle
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Those were my thoughts - there's a world of difference between my heavy inboard displacement IP24, built like a Panzer and weighing in at over 3.5t, and a lightweight outboard-driven 24' river cruiser with no ballast, keel or bilge keels. And I try very hard to avoid anything over F4 - F5.
We're going to have to wait a few months for the MAIB report, I think, to know the answers to this.
We're going to have to wait a few months for the MAIB report, I think, to know the answers to this.