JumbleDuck
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Not if you're buying a one off and paying for expensive skilled labour to do stuff which on a production run would be done to the same quality by machines.
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Not if you're buying a one off and paying for expensive skilled labour to do stuff which on a production run would be done to the same quality by machines.
roblpm
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Trouble is I think people's requirements are so different the chances of someone starting a brand where they sell 100s of the same thing and benefit from scale are very slim. Obviously the mass market charter or coastal cruising are well catered for.
Adventure 40 anyone??
http://www.morganscloud.com/series/boat-design-selection-adventure-40/
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If you were trying to earn money you wouldn't buy a boat at all.
No point being the richest corpse in the cemetery......
JumbleDuck
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True, although it has been done in the past - the Hunter Sonata and the Sigma 33, for example, both sold loads from the outset. Even without the sort of OD enthusiasm there, a large company set up for CAD/CAM work can relatively easily add a new product to the system ... bespoke and handmade stuff is always going to be more expensive for similar outcomes. For example, I could take one of the Andersen winches from my boat to a local light engineering company and ask them to make me another. I'd get something identical to the one I took in ... at perhaps ten times the price of buying it from Andersen. Would I really be "getting what I paid for"?
wully1
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but that Sirius 40 DS is fugly.
Kind of like the look of the Nordship and Bestwind but that will because I'm particularly addicted to boats you can sit inside while steering, but I'm afraid the Sirius fails..
Whats with the hull windows all of a sudden? They always look like like someones been told to shove some windows in the hull last thing on a Friday afternoon.
Kind of like the look of the Nordship and Bestwind but that will because I'm particularly addicted to boats you can sit inside while steering, but I'm afraid the Sirius fails..
Whats with the hull windows all of a sudden? They always look like like someones been told to shove some windows in the hull last thing on a Friday afternoon.
snooks
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So you pay for what you want, and you get that, or you don't...therefore you do get what you pay for.
If you want mass produced stuff the materials used are usually inferior to those used by the yards using expensive skilled craftsmen.
rogerball0
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Genuine question Snooks, how's the show been for Conrad?, Any idea how many he's sold?
JumbleDuck
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Well sort of. You also pay for a lot of time wasting and pointless use of skilled labour. Maybe some people want that.
That can be the case, but it doesn't have to be the case. "Tree wood" forsooth.
flawed_logic
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I went with someone who had never been to a boat show, but his job is to out fit shops etc. he saw the difference immediately between the big production chaps and the more ... Well ... Upmarket boats, not just quality of materials but the poor joinery and the fitting, hidden away from easy view!
snooks
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I haven't spoken to Conrad for a few days. She's the sort of boat you'll turn up and view and see if she makes your short list, then if you like her book a test sail, because that's where she sparkles. He's been busy on board every time I've seen him, I did have a chat with Stephen Jones on board on Monday, but had to rush off before I saw Conrad. The interior looks a lot better with some cushions and a picture on the bulkhead and the wood work is still as nice as I remember.
Seven Spades
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JumbleDuck
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Her racing history doesn't exactly bear that out. Nice to sail, by all accounts, but not exactly fast. Or designed to be fast, I gather, and to be fair. Any idea why they used - according to a poster who did 250 miles on her - rubbishy dacron sails instead of something a bit more high tech?
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snooks
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A boat can be enjoyable to sail without being fast. And there are a lot of variable with racing, the guy steering being one of them :0)
The steering on the GT is smooth and light and the way she greets a gust is like a gentle nod, before she straights up and carries on. On the day of my test her speed wasn't anything to write home about but the feeling on the wheel was great.
@seven spades
I felt the GT was faster than the Rustler 37 and the figures bear that out:
Rustler 37
D/L ratio 330.4
SA/D ratio 18.4
GT35:
D/L ratio 209.7
SA/D ratio 17.8
(although the displacement might have changed since I worked out these figures)
I sailed the XC38 a long time ago, but I would say she would be faster most of the time, may be in a real blow the GT35 will keep her speed up more. But it all depends who's on the helm, the sail area they are carrying etc etc.
Also speed doesn't always make for the comfyest ride
Sailfree
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Sirius is definitely worth a look. Took sceptical SWMBO on it and she loved it. Sirius on the water equipped price is £380k show boat has 5 headsails in its spec and other further extras and comes out at £480k.
Jeanneau 44DS as equipped at show is £209k.
Comes down to how you want to spend your money. Unfortunately I am not rich enough to justify/afford an extra £200k against the extra pleasure/quality that the Sirius would give.
Boat builders do need to learn from their customers though. Our current DS has been on charter market and nearly 100% of females say how much they love the interior lightness. SWMBO looked at a number of "conventional" boats of various standards but the small windows and dark wood interior ruled them all out.
I am sure many potential purchasers need to get their other halves approval of purchase and I think the boatbuilders would do better to consider the female point of view (especially on the interior) more.
snooks
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Why should it be a "female" point of view? Surely it should be a joint decision whether you are a woman or a man, and whether your partner is also male or female. Also if all boats were built for a "female" point of view what choice does that leave for the single man or gay couple?
Different people require different boats for different purposes, offshore there's nothing to see except sea and big windows could be seen as a liability, under equatorial sun I'd rather not be in a greenhouse...It all depends on what you want to do with your boat. Yards like Sirius and Rustler involve their past, present and future customers in shaping their new models - The Rustler 37 came out of Adrian Jones phoning up people who had showed interest in the model and asking them what they really wanted. They wanted a boat for a couple to sail for long distances and long periods, they didn't want something big and white with lots of windows. C Yachts is currently researching what a new model they should design and build by surveying people.
Just because your partner would like big open windows doesn't make what she wants right...Obviously I can say that, you might no be able to
Sailfree
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Why should it be a "female" point of view? Surely it should be a joint decision whether you are a woman or a man, and whether your partner is also male or female. Also if all boats were built for a "female" point of view what choice does that leave for the single man or gay couple?
Different people require different boats for different purposes, offshore there's nothing to see except sea and big windows could be seen as a liability, under equatorial sun I'd rather not be in a greenhouse...It all depends on what you want to do with your boat. Yards like Sirius and Rustler involve their past, present and future customers in shaping their new models - The Rustler 37 came out of Adrian Jones phoning up people who had showed interest in the model and asking them what they really wanted. They wanted a boat for a couple to sail for long distances and long periods, they didn't want something big and white with lots of windows. C Yachts is currently researching what a new model they should design and build by surveying people.
Just because your partner would like big open windows doesn't make what she wants right...Obviously I can say that, you might no be able to
Snooks I admire your sincerity and innocence but after 50 yrs of womanising and 2 wives I know that there are men that sail as a couple with a happy wife because he listened to her and sad divorced gits that sail alone.
I decide the important things like whether Scotland should be independent. My wife decides where we live what holidays we go on, what cars or motorcycles I buy (didn't like the Audi midnight blue on last one so am instructed to take her next time to choose colour!) and what boat I buy. Realistically she also decides when we have sex - I know what side my bread is buttered!!
All a sweeping generalisation - of course!!
Edit should add that surveys reveal what people think they want but they finally buy with their heart - all IMHO of course. eg I can complete a survey form on my own but I need to consult with SWMBO to spend £250k or so!!
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mobeydick
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Anybody have a look at the Broadblue Rapier 550?
Love it or not, there are some interesting concepts on board (helming from forward 'pilot' seats at 16 knots, with all sail handling from inside the cabin, anyone?)
Love it or not, there are some interesting concepts on board (helming from forward 'pilot' seats at 16 knots, with all sail handling from inside the cabin, anyone?)
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AIDY
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Love the gt35 had a nice email from Conrad today trying to arrange a test sail... The 35 is a bit small for me, think I will wait for the 40 he said it would be about 18 months time.
Habebty
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I spent a fair bit of time talking to Conrad and Stephen Jones, and funnily enough will wait for the 30 to make an appearance.
Anything designed by Stephen Jones will be fast in a blow.
Also liked the Pogo 30 after seeing one in Ostend and talking to the guy in the tent.
One of the most interesting boats was the Bay Cruiser 25 trailer sailer and deserves to sell well I think.
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