lw395
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He caused one broken arm to a participant.
Compared with the adulation reserved for the Wingco who killed 11 people on the A27.
Speed can be dangerous.
But some people understand that and accept it.
100mph in Southampton Water
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He caused one broken arm to a participant.
Compared with the adulation reserved for the Wingco who killed 11 people on the A27.
Speed can be dangerous.
But some people understand that and accept it.
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Exactly.
Sandy
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On that sir we will need to disagree.
I am still interested to know what was the speed at the time of impact, the report only mentions the maximum speed during the test.
The report states "The driver held a commercially endorsed Royal Yachting Association (RYA) Yachtmasters’ certificate of competency. He had over 30 years’ experience as a powerboat driver and had extensive knowledge of the waters of the Solent. The driver was a former offshore powerboat racing world champion and held 21 powerboat speed and endurance records. He was the former manager of the RYA’s powerboat racing and motor boat department, a post he held for a number of years". To me that does not sound like somebody who is infallible, more like somebody who really understands the risks of the sport.
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It's the risks to others that are the main issue. Even if he 'understands' them thoroughly, does he have the right to impose them on others?
l'escargot
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I've never driven so fast into a pothole that I've rolled my car and had people trapped underneath it with serious injuries. If I had I would expect to be criticised for driving so fast that I couldn't deal with a reasonably anticipatable hazard - bit like this chap with his speeding boat and the pot marker...
Triassic
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dom
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Alternatively you could take this corrected view.....
Ahh the smiley face; if you missed them off your previous posts then fair enough I suppose.
Triassic
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So just as a matter of interest do you ever drive your car in excess of 50mph on a motorway at night, because above that speed you are driving beyond the range of your headlights and you won't be able to avoid any debris that may be in the carriageway. If you think that's an unlikely scenario about 50% of the calls police get on motorways are in relation to debris or the crash that has occurred as a result.
Triassic
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pmagowan
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Your logic is, once again, lacking. Nowhere do I state that this man should have any restrictions let alone all car drivers that have ever crashed. You can not simply extrapolate a specific situation to a generalisation on a non-related subject. Otherwise I could say your reply is utter rubbish and by that reasoning no commercial pilot should ever have their license revoked no matter how suicidally incompetent they are.
Once again, if you want to explain your thoughts in any form that is understandable to those not in your head rather than simply being rude, it may help.
pmagowan
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And others don't and put the rest of us at potential risk through irresponsible behaviour. If you think that one broken arm was the sum total of this incident's cost then I am afraid you are mistaken. If I fire a cannon into a crowd of children and break only one arm is that OK? Canons can be dangerous. Some people understand that and accept it!
How hard is it to understand that this man was at fault. I am not asking for him to be hanged, simply that he, and others learn from his mistakes and avoid those risks again in the future such that the decisions are not taken out of our hands by regulations that look more and more justified by the posts on nhere.
pmagowan
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Nope. Someone who has significant qualifications and experience. Someone who understands and respects the risks of the sport does not put others in an avoidable position whereby their lives are risked needlessly. He could have gone out that day and done 100mph as safely as it is possible to do. He chose to go out, travel at a speed whereby he was unable to avoid predictable fixed objects in a safe way, crash badly and almost kill his crew who were not wearing any of the available safety equipment. If we can't learn anything from that then I say bring on the regulation because it sounds like a lot of people can't behave themselves and are completely blind as to the risks to themselves and others.
pmagowan
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Alternatively you could take this corrected view.....
No, He could be the best damn boater in the world for all I care. He still made a mistake, or more accurately a series of them. Not to recognise that is, I am afraid, damaging to the hobby and likely to lead to regulation. I have a motorboat myself and have regularly traveled at over 40kn without his experience and qualifications. In fact I am a product of the regulation free boating environment and glad of it. However, if I was going 40kn in my boat and flipped it to avoid a pot buoy, causing all my crew to be put at significant risk particularly because some of them were inexperienced and I had not bothered to get them to wear their safety equipment, I would be both appauled and embarrassed at my stupidity and lack of judgment.
RichardS
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Yes.... I agree with that.
For 35 years I've been getting stuck in traffic jams caused by people crashing their cars and I've always argued that these people should have their licence suspended until they have proven that they actually know how to drive properly.
I've often voiced this view including at my Speed Awareness Course where the presenter asked whether I would still argue this if I caused an accident. I replied that after probably a million miles of driving that clearly wasn't going to happen.
Richard
Roger Bailey
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Once GPS became cheap fishermen stopped putting flags on their marker buoys. The things are now a menace, especially at night.
Triassic
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Thought I was being a tad optimistic.....
pmagowan
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Bordering on deluded I am afraid. Skill is no guarantee of responsible behaviour otherwise young men would never crash cars. This man may have been the most skilful man on the planet, or in every infinite multiverse, it does not change the fact that he made a catalogue of errors which led to a crash, the consequences of which could very well have been fatal.
Keen_Ed
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Yes.... I agree with that.
For 35 years I've been getting stuck in traffic jams caused by people crashing their cars and I've always argued that these people should have their licence suspended until they have proven that they actually know how to drive properly.
I've often voiced this view including at my Speed Awareness Course where the presenter asked whether I would still argue this if I caused an accident. I replied that after probably a million miles of driving that clearly wasn't going to happen.
Richard
There is a view that there's no such thing as a road accident. They're all crashes - i.e. caused by something avoidable.
l'escargot
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The infamous "black dog/cat" defence for poor driving. That's is a nice vague statistic made to sound impressive - 50% of an unspecified figure relating to debris and accidents grouped together...
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Triassic
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I'm not entirely sure I get your drift. Are you suggesting people crash their cars on motorways and then make up some story about hitting debris? I can assure you after you have extracted them from their overturned vehicle and loaded them into an ambulance there really isn't much room for doubt when your colleague retrieves what's left of the ladder, 4x2 timber, ratchet strap block, fridge (I kid you not) or most common of all lorry tyre from the live carriageway.
Next time you see a police car doing 40mph in the centre lane with all their lights on and the crew getting lots of dirty looks from the drivers they are holding up spare a thought for their colleague who is running around a mile or so up the road retrieving whatever it is that's lying in the middle of lane three.....