Your ultimate boat: please show imagination, don't be a Wally.

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Putting aside the fact that at present I can't quite find the cost of a tired, rotting old dinghy, I readily ease myself sideways into lottery-winning dreamland.

Considering how dissatisfied I usually am by every yacht I look at, it's always part of my thought-process to redraw and redesign - a swing-keel here, broader beam there; but actually, I'm less certain exactly what I'd specify, given unlimited capital to spend.

It's too boring, to give lazy, glib replies incorporating vast scale, indulgent excess and designer-brand names or futuristic technology. And if I could afford a three-master like Aquarius, wouldn't gaining all that authority and majesty, cost the discreet independence I've enjoyed hitherto?

I see the old schooner Altair was or still is for sale. But I doubt I'd choose a vessel that needed so much hired help aboard, however easily I could afford it.

And, deep draft is a pain when you'd like to anchor close inshore, so, vast ain't necessarily ideal...

I actually suspect the essence of what any of us value most about our seagoing, can be summed up by a few on-board details, which evoke atmosphere and happy recollection of times and places, and form the backdrop to every adventure in prospect.

Here are mine:

A wheelhouse - because in the real world, the weather's more foul than fair. I may visit the Caribbean, but it wouldn't ever be home. I want to be able to steer comfortably in my pajamas on New Year's Day.

Gaff rig - because despite my enjoyment of an efficient rig, atmosphere trumps performance every time.

Teak decks. They make any yacht thrice as nice.

Ruggedness. For the most part, I'd like the vessel to look after me, rather than vice versa. I don't envy wealthy racing skippers who drysail large, expensive keelboats and fret about every scratch.

Ease of handling. Difficult one, that. I think I like brigantines best, but I'm not wild about heights. Still, I reckon one of the old 'small' trading gaff schooners that coped with two men and a boy, might be manageable. So...

LOA 90', LOD 65', LWL 52', beam 14', draught 8'.

Round bilge, steel. With 12" bulwarks. Steel lower masts and bowsprit, wood uppers. And, several tonnes of deep-cycle batteries in the bilge, driving a 120volt auxilliary. (I'll keep that in the 'maybe' column.) Nice beefy Northern Lights generator, too. :)

Wheel house allowing weatherproof motoring. Two double staterooms & en suites. Large saloon, not for sleeping in. Galley, quite separate, well-ventilated. Large fo'c'sle for stuff. Underfloor heating.

Not asking much, really, am I? I didn't specify an on-board garage with red and blue Lamborghinis, or an aquarium that doubles as a swimming pool. Quite modest, really.

What would you prefer?
 
Putting aside the fact that at present I can't quite find the cost of a tired, rotting old dinghy, I readily ease myself sideways into lottery-winning dreamland.

Considering how dissatisfied I usually am by every yacht I look at, it's always part of my thought-process to redraw and redesign - a swing-keel here, broader beam there; but actually, I'm less certain exactly what I'd specify, given unlimited capital to spend.

It's too boring, to give lazy, glib replies incorporating vast scale, indulgent excess and designer-brand names or futuristic technology. And if I could afford a three-master like Aquarius, wouldn't gaining all that authority and majesty, cost the discreet independence I've enjoyed hitherto?

I see the old schooner Altair was or still is for sale. But I doubt I'd choose a vessel that needed so much hired help aboard, however easily I could afford it.

And, deep draft is a pain when you'd like to anchor close inshore, so, vast ain't necessarily ideal...

I actually suspect the essence of what any of us value most about our seagoing, can be summed up by a few on-board details, which evoke atmosphere and happy recollection of times and places, and form the backdrop to every adventure in prospect.

Here are mine:

A wheelhouse - because in the real world, the weather's more foul than fair. I may visit the Caribbean, but it wouldn't ever be home. I want to be able to steer comfortably in my pajamas on New Year's Day.

Gaff rig - because despite my enjoyment of an efficient rig, atmosphere trumps performance every time.

Teak decks. They make any yacht thrice as nice.

Ruggedness. For the most part, I'd like the vessel to look after me, rather than vice versa. I don't envy wealthy racing skippers who drysail large, expensive keelboats and fret about every scratch.

Ease of handling. Difficult one, that. I think I like brigantines best, but I'm not wild about heights. Still, I reckon one of the old 'small' trading gaff schooners that coped with two men and a boy, might be manageable. So...

LOA 90', LOD 65', LWL 52', beam 14', draught 8'.

Round bilge, steel. With 12" bulwarks. Steel lower masts and bowsprit, wood uppers. And, several tonnes of deep-cycle batteries in the bilge, driving a 120volt auxilliary. (I'll keep that in the 'maybe' column.) Nice beefy Northern Lights generator, too. :)

Wheel house allowing weatherproof motoring. Two double staterooms & en suites. Large saloon, not for sleeping in. Galley, quite separate, well-ventilated. Large fo'c'sle for stuff. Underfloor heating.

Not asking much, really, am I? I didn't specify an on-board garage with red and blue Lamborghinis, or an aquarium that doubles as a swimming pool. Quite modest, really.

What would you prefer?

I want Sir Peter Blakes old boat- Called Seamaster
 
I'd settle for something that carries a crew of 7 or more, is capable of planing downwind and of which there are more than 20 in the locality whose owners come out racing every weekend.
 
The Wylo 35.5 comes pretty close to perfect, for me.

Mind you I would also quite like to see Ovni produce a slightly smaller version of their aluminium lift-keelers, but give it a tiller and an enclosed transom, and add a small rigid sprayhood. Diesel electric hybrid drive with a lifting, rotating saildrive (basically a modern version of 'outboard in a well'. That would be a go-anywhere machine with decent performance, comfortable and easily handled by a crew of two.
 
Reptile Smile, I see your future...it is...contentment.

Well done!

Rare, to be so easily pleased. You mention beauty...don't you like teakwork, and overhangs, and ash blocks and reefpoints?

I mean, if cost wasn't a barrier to ownership, doesn't this strike you as more appealing than an 80s all-plastic Beneteau?

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For me it would have to be a cat, not so big that it could not be sailed singlehanded . . . . many of the more modern designs look like slab sided boxes and looks are fairly important after all. So something along the lines of a well built Wharram Tiki 38 or 46 would do . . . . .

Like this one:

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I mean, if cost wasn't a barrier to ownership, doesn't this strike you as more appealing than an 80s all-plastic Beneteau?

MoonbeamRelax1.JPG

That's a beautiful boat - but it looks very maintenance-intensive. If I suddenly found myself with improbable amounts of cash, moving aboard the boat I'd buy and travelling the world is definitely a strong possibility. Paying other people to do routine maintenance of your boat when you live aboard, like visiting remote places, and move on frequently, is always going to be an inconvenience even if you do have the money.

I wouldn't quite specify what you have in your first post, but I suspect we'd have a lot in common in our preferences and requirements.

I like characterful rigs, and my original idea involved a fishing-smack-style gaff main with much of the area in a big topsail, and a housing topmast to make a snug low rig in a blow (designed a sort of track wire for the topmast heel to make bringing it down slightly less of a performance). But eventually I had to conclude that such a rig just wasn't practical for a small crew, and switched to something based on this instead. It's a stayed junk rig with western headsails and standing-lug mizzen, a long luff for better windward performance, and massive area to keep going in light winds and push a relatively fat heavy hull through the water. He has 1000 square feet of mainsail on a 35-footer, not including the jib, staysail and mizzen.

Pete
 
Harry Hyams, property tycoon, had ample funds available. He kept yachts of various types (but all 'classics') in various parts of the world, so that he wouldn't have the tedium of making passages. Not a bad solution.

I remember Baranquilla, a 1930's 12 metre, which was in the Hamble, but the steward aboard told me there were others in the Caribbean and the Med.
 
I have pondered this, I do not think it could be one boat :eek:

More like 2 or 3 or a series of boats affordable ish ones.

1) My partner would like to see Polar Bears and I might like to follow that by setting foot on my last Continent.

So that would have to be an Ice friendly rugged a tough cruising boat (with a little performance) comfortable for short handed or 4-6 up..

2) UK/ Round the cans/ RORC boat something fun and exciting that can surf / plane. Space for lots of crew or "do able as couple" a J122 type thing (SHMBO likes the look of them).

I could also see something like a Mini 6.5 (or 2) or similar in the fleet occasionally as well.

Big luxury boats look great and I am sure they sail great but they do not fit every where...

I think after a few crossings I would be as happy flying between area as sailing between them. Provided there was a boat with a bit of performance each end :D

Although I have probably ran out of money already? If not I would probably run out of time :(

Oh well better keep my dreams affordable...
 
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That's very pretty, Pete. I reckon we do see things the same way!

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Very pretty, and practical.

And you're right, my picture earlier, was of the Fife, Moonbeam IV, doubtless ££££££ per annum to keep so fine.

Agreed, E39mad, the Spirit yachts are pretty, but are they anything else, as well? And if not, are they pretty enough to justify ill-lit cabin fever below deck, and woeful exposure above? I reckon 007's five minutes under power in sunny Venice was all the design is worth.

Of course, in this thread, it's your £25,000,000, to spend as you wish. :)

Something I noticed that I like on a motoryacht recently, was going indoors from the cockpit without clambering down steps. A bit like free-standing chairs, it was another bit of 'luxurious' onshore normality which sailing yachts generally have to forego.

Granted, a lot of the appeal of sailing is the way in which life on board differs from that on land. But our ideal designs might simply be those which encompass avoidance of stark, utilitarian obstacles to comfort, like low beams and aircraft-toilet dimensions.

Scillypete has a point, catamarans do a lot of things very well. If the big Lagoon models weren't so damned hideous, they'd take some beating. Let me see now...a gaff-rigged catamaran, maybe with square foretopsails and a wheelhouse...starts to sound a lot like James Wharram read my mind... :rolleyes:
 
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I could be tempted by this schooner....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maggieb/5109341424/in/photostream

Interesting enough rig, easy to sail two handed, quick, solid and safe.
And very different from a AWB.

Otherwise my current boat comes pretty damn close.

http://tallshipstock.com/eleanormary.html

Can be sailed two handed in all conditions, pretty quick, solid and safe. Does not point quite as well as the schooner above and not quite as fast to windward (too much windage from all that string).
 
I saw a doc about the Mirrabelle,The owner had put a lot of his own thought into the yacht and was obviously chuffed.The film showed him shopping then going aboard having dinner .with the skipper.Even s o he was already working on the idea of another boat.
 
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